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FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

mmooss wrote: post #50
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #39

FCC's move is fair .. an adjacent view to this is best summed up by Palmer Lucky in this interview ( https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-... ?) ... “Imagine if there had been a novel … like a Tom Clancy novel” where, during the Cold War, the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision .. Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. m…

> the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision What electronics here are among the Pentagon's most secure? Why would the Pentagon have to buy LIDAR from a Chinese company? Will we ban every import of something the Pentagon might buy? > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites > a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the…

The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by buran77 »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #47
buran77 wrote: post #44

What about Lidar-equipped (and why not, even cameras) foreign cars that scan every one of the country's roads and everything around them? Cars are increasingly packing this kind of tech and telemetry.

i think its mostly to do with reach .. road only telemtry is much narrower in scope compared to a drones reach and also purpose built for mapping buildings, topography etc

There's a quality to the number, ubiquity, and unassuming nature of cars. They're everywhere all the time, and reach places where a drone would be at least highly suspicious.

This ban makes sense if they suspect the enemy is covertly scanning using unsuspecting users' drones. But if they suspect foreign actors are using the drones to scan, well they won't be stopped or slowed down by the ban. Whoever is interested in targeted mapping of buildings and specific areas won't be put off by Lidar drones not being commercially available. Independently Lidars and drones still are, and combining the two for malicious purposes is a no-brainer.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by kotaKat »

> Conversely, the notice also details the billions that domestic drone makers like Skydio, which has committed $3.5 billion to US manufacturing, have raised since the original ban

I'm so fucking tired of Adam Bry's fucking bullshit. Show me the consumer drone I can buy from Skydio.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by edaemon »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #39

FCC's move is fair .. an adjacent view to this is best summed up by Palmer Lucky in this interview ( https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-... ?) ... “Imagine if there had been a novel … like a Tom Clancy novel” where, during the Cold War, the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision .. Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. m…

Palmer Luckey owns a drone company. He can't have an objective opinion on his competitors being banned.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by mrandish »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #39

FCC's move is fair .. an adjacent view to this is best summed up by Palmer Lucky in this interview ( https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-... ?) ... “Imagine if there had been a novel … like a Tom Clancy novel” where, during the Cold War, the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision .. Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites .. m…

Even if one accepts this argument as valid, an outright ban on an entire technology is the most freedom restricting, invasive, economically disruptive remedy possible. There are more targeted remedies which can be equally effective for national security purposes but, coincidentally, those remedies aren't as protectionist.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by llm_nerd »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #48
llm_nerd wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This move has nothing to do with national security. It, like everything else this administration has done, is protectionism where some groups that have bribed Trump or have his halfwit children as beneficiaries get to move into the vacuum left by vastly superior options being banned from the market. > best summed up by Palmer Lucky Oh gosh, by the guy with the drone company? Surely 100% sincere, honest commentary! No…

basically you are saying this is 100% corruption and self serving by the Donald Trump (loser) and his children (half witted ones) and that DJI or other foreign drone manifacturers for that matter are not a threat to US national security. Also that Palmer Lucky is a self serving tosser. Understood.

I was incredibly overt, so what is the point of your ridiculous summary? Yes, this administration is unbelievably corrupt -- the pedo rapist felon literally launched a shitcoin and did a rugpull, and sells early access to his insane tweets or whatever stupid names he gives them overtly to allow insider trading along with his children -- so pretending like you're pointing out my TDS or something is hilarious stuff. Everything this administration does is corruption, and it's so hilariously in the open now that people like you just look foolish trying to run cover.

And yes, when you have to cite a literal drone maker to sell their position... good god man.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by dmitriy_ko »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #13
CSMastermind wrote: post #11

We're quickly reaching the point where Lidar isn't needed, pure vision workflows are getting much better.

Well, Elon thought that too and we still haven't seen any robotaxi

The current version of FSD drives better than most humans. You literally put in the destination address, press Start Self Drive, and it gets to your destination without you ever touching the steering wheel, and parks for you in the end. IMO it's ready for large scale robotaxi deployment. I only take steering wheel if I want to take a different route or park in a different place vs where Tesla decides to park.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by echelon »

fitblipper wrote: post #46

Stop manipulating our markets under the guize of national security or protecting Americans. If we need to be protected from bad behavior we need to be protected by all bad behavior regardless of it's origin. Has back doors? Ban it. Has awful security around sensitive data? Ban it. Makes technology available to the masses that is a national security risk? Ban it(if you most). Why give US companies a pass on this? It's…

The idea is to provide protection for incubating a local industry in what's deemed a key strategic sector. But that's not the best way to do it. See what the Jones Act did to US shipbuilding.

We should make foreign companies manufacture here, just like China did. It also works as a jobs program and builds up and industrial base and skill, as we've seen with the Japanese automotive sector.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by Animats »

What's the FCC's statutory authority for this? This adds mobile LIDAR units to the FCC's "Covered List". The CFR entry for the Covered List [1] claims this is under the Secure and Trusted Communications Act of 2019, [2] or the FCC's authority to regulate RF emitters. RF is generally considered to end at 3 terahertz, per the ITU. Whether the FCC has jurisdiction over non-communication uses of lasers is not at all clear. Lasers are usually regulated in the US by the Food and Drug Administration.

Expect lawsuits.

[1] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-A...

[2] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-116publ124/pdf/PLAW...

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by duxup »

fitblipper wrote: post #46

Stop manipulating our markets under the guize of national security or protecting Americans. If we need to be protected from bad behavior we need to be protected by all bad behavior regardless of it's origin. Has back doors? Ban it. Has awful security around sensitive data? Ban it. Makes technology available to the masses that is a national security risk? Ban it(if you most). Why give US companies a pass on this? It's…

It's not even about security.

Likely just a maneuver for a bribe. Like TikTok and so on...

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