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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by zbentley »

loeg wrote: post #42
dingocat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration of the surveillance apparatus. This is a perfect example of the revealed-preference fallacy. The use of providers like Meta does not reflect a well-informed, freely chosen preference. Meta spends a ton of money to squash competition, remove viable alternat…

> This is a perfect example of the revealed-preference fallacy. The fallacy here is that you think people should have difference preferences than they actually do. "People disagree with me? They must be ill-informed."

It is sometimes true that a large group of people hold a preference due to being misinformed, though. I don’t think a kneejerk assertion that GP is assuming their opinion is true and anyone who disagrees is an idiot is merited here.

Meta has done a lot of shitty things to acquire and addict users, and is analogous to a massive regional monopoly in the U.S. Both of those indicate that users of Facebook might be less than rational (in the economic sense) about their choice of social media product.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by ksbd-pls-finish »

cluckindan wrote: post #45
gsky wrote: post #18

https://archive.is/JxaZ7

Don’t click that link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

I clicked that link and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like I donate money by doing that. And they still are very useful resource, even if they're not good enough for Wikipedia (if they indeed tampered with some old archives, it's pretty obvious why)

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

ksbd-pls-finish wrote: post #52
cluckindan wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t click that link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

I clicked that link and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like I donate money by doing that. And they still are very useful resource, even if they're not good enough for Wikipedia (if they indeed tampered with some old archives, it's pretty obvious why)

If you would open the second link provided you would get an answer.

>This decision was agreed on after a request for comment with more than 200 participants concluded in February 2026, and is due to multiple concerns, including the site using editors' and readers' computers to run a denial-of-service attack and evidence that the website has tampered with some archived pages

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by cluckindan »

ksbd-pls-finish wrote: post #52
cluckindan wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t click that link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

I clicked that link and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like I donate money by doing that. And they still are very useful resource, even if they're not good enough for Wikipedia (if they indeed tampered with some old archives, it's pretty obvious why)

Maybe not, but it could be using your browser as a part of a DDoS network. The admins have also been tampering with archived articles.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by 9rx »

vouwfietsman wrote: post #39
ryu2k2 wrote: post #26

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People wouldn't want this if they were adequately educated.

No, this is not the way to go. Consumers cannot possibly understand all potential ways in which they can be screwed over, and even if they could, it is entirely likely that there are no good choices because consumers will have to choose between e.g privacy violation or environmental destruction, or privacy violation of some degree vs another degree. This is why governments exist.

> Consumers cannot possibly understand all potential ways in which they can be screwed over

In a democracy, consumers and the government are the exact same thing. Since they ostensibly do not understand all of the potential ways in which they can be screwed over, how is calling themselves government going to magically change that? Maybe you are imagining a dictatorship instead, where the government is only a subset of all consumers, but even then the dictators are still just feeble consumers themselves remaining within the subset of all consumers. Being a dictator doesn't make you omniscient; still only human like all the others.

Government exists to clean up the outliers who are not behaving in line with the wishes of the consumers, but that cleanup can only occur when their undesirable behaviour is out there for all to plainly see. You cannot enforce what you don't recognize.

> consumers will have to choose between e.g privacy violation or environmental destruction, or privacy violation of some degree vs another degree.

Temporarily, perhaps, but in a functioning market one of those consumers feeling underserved will rise up to offer what's missing, eventually satisfying consumers again. However, ironically, consumers often consider that undesirable behaviour and use government to block that rising from occurring. For some reason consumers prefer to protect the market incumbents even when they claim to not like what the incumbents are doing.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by Godsend69 »

BirAdam wrote: post #44
ryu2k2 wrote: post #26

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People wouldn't want this if they were adequately educated.

So much this. When my son turned 12, I told him how some of the various social media sites and smart technologies work, and he’s avoided social media altogether ever since (he’s now an adult). He always uses ad blockers and content filters, and he generally made good decisions around phone use, and other tech use from a privacy respecting perspective. Prior to this discussion, he was eager to be on social media apps…

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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by zhoBEENG »

cluckindan wrote: post #48
zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

5G edge devices already have support for mmWave and beamforming. The ability to track the micromovements of a person’s trachea as they think in words (”internal monologue”) and reconstruct their thoughts from movement data reduces to a software problem: the hardware is there and the algorithms have been established in literature.

That is very interesting. I wasn’t aware of their ability to act as acoustic sensors. It makes sense, but it’s not my field so I hadn’t thought about it.

Any link to the trachea vibrations to reproduce inner monologue source?

I think the major shift with the 6g standard is that general purpose sensing is now explicit to the design and intended use of the system.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by arcfour »

cluckindan wrote: post #55
ksbd-pls-finish wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clicked that link and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like I donate money by doing that. And they still are very useful resource, even if they're not good enough for Wikipedia (if they indeed tampered with some old archives, it's pretty obvious why)

Maybe not, but it could be using your browser as a part of a DDoS network. The admins have also been tampering with archived articles.

Not mine, UBlock has blocked that since day one, thankfully

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by forgetfreeman »

bamboozled wrote: post #10
JohnFen wrote: post #4

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I don't think people want this. I think people want the other benefits that those things bring, and increasingly feel that it's impossible to escape being surveilled anyway so do their best to ignore the whole issue. Being resigned to something is not the same as wanting that thing.

Agree, you’re either a digital hermit or you’re part of the problem / system

The really obnoxious part is that with the possible exception of maps all of the other "services" touted as vital parts of a digitally connected existence are so enshittified at this point that the original value proposition for all of them is absent. So we're left with this zombie rhetoric around being disconnected while "connecting" means you spend hours every day staring at bot content and ads.
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