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The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by solomonb »

martinky24 wrote: post #10
solomonb wrote: post #5

Can we please leave the fucking toads alone? This is an endangered species getting massively abused by the wellness "shaman" industry. It fucking sucks. Just use synthetic 5me0-dmt if you really must do a goofy vision quest larp.

Hmm. I am all for leaving animals alone, but their Wikipedia page says their status is “secure” and of “least concern”. So yeah, let the frogs be, but I don’t think we should invent (hallucinate, in this case, perhaps?) reasons why…

okay maybe i was wrong about them being technically endangered, i misread that somewhere. Still doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be abusing animals to have pseudo-intellectual psychedelic experiences.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by Aboutplants »

tristanMatthias wrote: post #50

I've tried this before and it was an incredibly profound experience. Happy to answer questions if folks have any.

Were there long term positive (or negative for that matter) after effects that persisted either for some time or set a new baseline for you?

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by natpalmer1776 »

thin_carapace wrote: post #45
natpalmer1776 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, I’m not on amphetamines today this is pure and genuine ADHD “hyperfocus” and my co-occurring “autism special interest” it makes communication on technical subjects hard, causes a lot of mischaracterizations like the one you just did, but I accept who I am and am happy with it. I don’t think it’s okay to dose a large swathe of the population with amphetamines because it’s “good enough” and neither does the global…

it may have had the same effect but me being too lazy to keep going is very much not an attack and I do genuinely wish you well

I love async communication, it makes it a lot harder to leave a room in a huff after saying harmful things and then pretending you did not in fact say those things.

“Maybe if I was also on speed” was in fact, a personal attack. You chose to refer to my legally prescribed medication by the name used by drug dealers when selling it illegally for the purpose of drug abuse. The implication being that I am “on speed” being that it is incorrectly prescribed and I am abusing it recreationally.

It did not “have the same effect” in the sense that I am being overly sensitive, it had the same effect because it unequivocally was the same thing.

You can be lazy, that’s fine. I’m lazy all the time! In the cases where I do not feel like responding with the appropriate level of rigor and mutual respect I simply choose to not respond at all.

As before, have a wonderful day.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by skinfaxi »

mock-possum wrote: post #40
kcoul wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this post just demonstrates the lack of sympathy/empathy so many rich people seem to have for others. There is a huge difference between taking pills designed to eternally treat symptoms and never the root cause, vs a plant medicine that might actually address the root cause of a problem. Bufo unfortunately has the added problem of coming from an animal rather than a plant, I agree with another post that suggests usi…

Wait wait wait.. Is fallout’s ‘Buffout’ this ‘bufo?’

Bufo Alvarius is the toad and the first two words of the article title when you visit the wiki page.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by thin_carapace »

natpalmer1776 wrote: post #53
thin_carapace wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may have had the same effect but me being too lazy to keep going is very much not an attack and I do genuinely wish you well

I love async communication, it makes it a lot harder to leave a room in a huff after saying harmful things and then pretending you did not in fact say those things. “Maybe if I was also on speed” was in fact, a personal attack. You chose to refer to my legally prescribed medication by the name used by drug dealers when selling it illegally for the purpose of drug abuse. The implication being that I am “on speed” bein…

this is the first time I've continued a thread here after saying goodbye, I wouldn't compromise my own integrity unless it was for something worth caring about. lots of other people are gonna think the way I did and I wanted you to hear an honest perspective, that way if a future conversation is absolutely crucial to you, you can be more aware of how critical conciseness is in maintaining conversational momentum. tried sharing this respectfully by simply stating my viewpoint, because I sometimes take amphetamines (or speed or any other name) to treat the symptoms we share. i don't judge you for feeling disrespected here but yeah feel free to take something from individuality while it's on offer, otherwise i hope you are ready to back yourself lest the system ever fail you

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by sitzkrieg »

ceroxylon wrote: post #55
tristanMatthias wrote: post #50

I've tried this before and it was an incredibly profound experience. Happy to answer questions if folks have any.

Have you compared it to the synthetic 5-MeO-DMT experience and if so, is there a noticeable difference in your experience?

i have been fortunate enough to, identical experience

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by throwaway_7274 »

solomonb wrote: post #51
martinky24 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I am all for leaving animals alone, but their Wikipedia page says their status is “secure” and of “least concern”. So yeah, let the frogs be, but I don’t think we should invent (hallucinate, in this case, perhaps?) reasons why…

okay maybe i was wrong about them being technically endangered, i misread that somewhere. Still doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be abusing animals to have pseudo-intellectual psychedelic experiences.

Your may have been thinking of peyote, which is somewhat endangered, and widely poached.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by throwup238 »

temp0826 wrote: post #49
dylan604 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the DMT world, carts are being sold known as Toad with the 5-MeO-DMT. Lots of very unhappy customers when they are not expecting it.

I seriously don't know who would be unhappy about it. Pure 5-meo is a more reliable experience and no endangered toads need to be harmed. I don't know that one would even be able to liquify straight bufo properly to put in a cart for one...also pure 5-meo is maybe 3-5x more potent per weight so that probably makes it all easier too. Anyone pulling the " butttt it's unnaturalllll " card on this one is a fool.

Is anyone even getting it from toads anymore? 20 years ago it was cheap to synthesize and get from the research chemical market along with the 2Cs and friends. I haven’t done any drugs in a decade so I don’t know how hard it is to get now but I doubt an enterprising internet sleuth would have a hard time finding a source.

Re: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

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Post by NDlurker »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #29
martinky24 wrote: post #9

Every time I find one of these in my backyard with my dog, I have to spray my dog’s mouth out with the hose for 5 minutes. Psychedelic, but also very toxic.

Reminds me of the datura all over my yard. I keep chopping them down (while wearing gloves) but they keep coming back. They're pretty but definitely a "look, don't eat" plant.

The datura trip reports on Erowid were my favorite. Such a weird plant.
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