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Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

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Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

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i think this has more to do with the innate tendency of a capitalist media machine: getting people into an addictive hype cycle of merchandisable content is profitable, having them read at home isn’t. content that makes one think and question takes time and effort to process and raises the bar for the audience, lowering the profit potential. making stuff that seems clever without being so is even better, the audience feels good about themselves.

Adorno reasoned this decades ago. it’s not difficult to understand why media industries in modern states produce such little thought provoking material. some of it has to do with the fact that it’ll never be popular anyway, but a difference in complexity of material is observable over time and also between countries with more and less capitalist economies.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#52

I don’t think the author’s thesis is right, and actually his first inclination is correct. No one starts liking nerdy stuff because Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos does, because no one really wants to be them. They want their money, success, etc. but not to be them , in the way you’d want to be a movie star or athlete. So I think it’s an under-discussed thing that the art forms which lend themselves to the most profitable “…

>No one starts liking nerdy stuff because Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos does, because no one really wants to be them Hmmm, as someone that entered high school around the time Bill Gates left Microsoft and began working at the foundation full time, I actually did genuinely idolize Bill Gates for much of the 2010s. The giving pledge, the focus on global health, the effort spent improving the lives of millions of people. Thi…

That still sounds like you idolized his wealth and ability to use it for philanthropy. Not that you started liking nerdy things because Bill Gates liked them.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#54

I always thought I was a nerd, but I was never into super heroes or fantasy books/movies and I was never into playing Pokemon or Magic the Gathering. Star Wars didn't appeal to me and neither did Lord Of The Rings nor Narnia nor Harry Potter. I wasn't even that big into video games, although I did spend quite a lot of time playing some of the big titles (Vice City for example) but I spent way more time flying in MS F…

Nerd / geek / spod / dork etc., very complex shifting meanings.

But what you're talking about in the first paragraph is what people used to call "geek" culture, and what you're talking about in the second is what people tended to call "nerd" culture.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#55
One characteristic of a nerd was that they spent the dominant share of their time immersed in media, detached from the world of their immediate surroundings.

There's nothing novel about that in the age of smartphones. The afflictions of the socially isolated, overstimulated, detached and anxious nerd have gone mainstream.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#56
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say exactly this. Since when was being a nerd about consumer preferences? But then I start wondering if we are just gatekeeping nerddom?

> Since when was being a nerd about consumer preferences? Being a nerd has almost always been about consumer preferences. Everything from baseball cards to anime, comics, D&D, video games, all of the staples of nerd culture are also consumer culture.

But you are picking the most commercial sides of what is described as "nerd culture" and identifying them to "nerd culture". Exactly this is what is criticised (imo). And even among these "staples" you can find a lot of no/low/anti commercial things and sides. In the videogames for example, you also have pirating, modding communities, indie/free/unfinished games. There is some consumer part, but there have been aspects that are not.

In any case, I am not sure anything of this has to do with "being a nerd" per se, if I even get to understand how to properly define a category based on a term that has most often than not served as an exonym (or used to). But if I ignore this part, I would say that stuff like eg marvel comics is akin to fast food, and now it goes from being a "nerd's fast food" to being "normie's fast food". In either case, making stuff like "marvel comics" a definitional point of being a nerd seems absurd to me (and I have read tons of marvel comics in my life).

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#57

> but instead [the potential intellectuals] are drawn to the easy honeypot of modern middlebrow culture because it is too nerdy, too attractive, too omnipresent, to ever leave. What a strange conclusion. Ignoring auteur theory (the idea that you might bring artistic or intellectual value to an otherwise bland commercial work) entirely, all the author’s hypothesised potential intellectuals are simply making too much m…

It's interesting that your two examples are of men whose early adulthoods were shaped by large scale global conflicts, yet you totally dismiss the author's idea that the easy rewards of high status and pay in tech could lure young thinkers into a kind of permanent adolescent 'nerd culture' bubble (reminiscent of a kind of a nightmare glass bead game, centered around the subset of mass media that smart kids enjoyed in…

> your two examples are of men whose early adulthoods were shaped by large scale global conflicts, yet you totally dismiss the author's idea that the easy rewards of high status and pay in tech could lure young thinkers into a kind of permanent adolescent 'nerd culture'

Yes - the former are high-risk actions motivated (at least partially) by a collectivist urge to help other people. The latter is significantly lower risk, and generally individualistically motivated, which is what I think you're pointing towards. I used those examples specifically to highlight that people, especially 'intellectuals', can hold intellectual beliefs very strongly, often at significant risk to themselves, and that those beliefs are often partially sparked by geopolitical events.

The author's implied argument is that the soft gaze of the MCU might either avert beliefs of that strength, or render them impotent. Or indeed prevent the geopolitical events which partially formed those beliefs from being of interest, and of cultural importance (or happening at all, I suppose, like when Superman fights Hitler in the WW2-era DC stuff). This attributes a hell of a lot of power to contemporary "nerd culture" which I simply do not think it has. It's a relatively safe argument to dismiss because it is deeply silly.

Not least because if this imagined intellectual's positions were so flimsy that they'd go weak at the knees after a wink from Wonder Woman or Wolverine, I'd be skeptical of the person's intellectual capacity in the first place. To frame it as something akin to a lost generation of intellectual capacity is laughable - it's nothing at all like, for example, the intellectual work we lost to the AIDs epidemic. We're talking about literal baby movies.

Do you mean that you think "studying political economy, becoming a journalist, joining a political organization" was equivalent in that it was also guilt-motivated, at a time when you think these attributes were seen as of higher cultural virtue, and we have since culturally become more individualistic? I'm not sure I fully followed, but that would perhaps be a more tractable idea, I think.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#58
I think we need a new term for articles like this... "Human slop". Poorly structured, keeps going in circles, wordy... the type of thing I'd write in high school. But the author says he's an adult now, so we can't give him a pass.

The article left me with just two questions: what the heck is an "intellectual" and why do we need them?

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#59

> but instead [the potential intellectuals] are drawn to the easy honeypot of modern middlebrow culture because it is too nerdy, too attractive, too omnipresent, to ever leave. What a strange conclusion. Ignoring auteur theory (the idea that you might bring artistic or intellectual value to an otherwise bland commercial work) entirely, all the author’s hypothesised potential intellectuals are simply making too much m…

What a strange reply.

Re: Nerd culture is murdering intellectuals

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No one starts liking nerdy stuff because Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos does, because no one really wants to be them Hmmm, as someone that entered high school around the time Bill Gates left Microsoft and began working at the foundation full time, I actually did genuinely idolize Bill Gates for much of the 2010s. The giving pledge, the focus on global health, the effort spent improving the lives of millions of people. Thi…

That still sounds like you idolized his wealth and ability to use it for philanthropy. Not that you started liking nerdy things because Bill Gates liked them.

I definitely read a lot more about developmental economics and vaccines than I otherwise would have
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