Cool stuff. Now how about running C# apps on the web? :)
Used to be silverlight, moonlight? Didn't catch on.
Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
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Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#52This might be the final blow to Java on the desktop.
Personally, I think computing power has hit the point where Java desktop apps and applets aren't that big a deal. I've got one running on my desktop right now. It runs for day's on end without being a significant burden to the rest of the system.
That and the quality of the developers also matter.
Many still write code without thinking one second about performance.
Java isn't C, but if you code thinking about performance it is possible to write quite usable applications for many use cases.
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#53This might be the final blow to Java on the desktop.
If Java is a terrible language and horribly designed then why do people still use it?
Every single thing that the other people have replied plus 2 things:
1) Tons of experienced and battle-tested people in the ecosystems
2) Standards that keep improving
It's a dual-edge sword thingie, on one hand standards are good for stability but bad because sometimes it slow innovation down. Having said that, the Java ecosystems typically have one strong alternative outside the standard so your choices, in most cases, come down to 2: use what comes from SUN/Oracle or use the leading open source alternative solution. Simple.
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not at all. This offers a completely different solution than java. With java, you write once and run on everything. This lets you write C# on OS X, but it won't compile and run on Windows or Linux. Windows software can't be as easily ported to OS X either, the entire GUI, at the least, will have to be rewritten. I would argue that Python would make more sense as a java-killer. It has the write once, run everywhere th…
Yes, but write-once-run-anywhere solutions deliver mediocre user experiences on every platform. You don't want your Mac app to look anything like your Windows 8 app. With Xamarin you separate the presentation layer of your app from the rest of the app, and the only thing you're rewriting from platform to platform is the UI. Typically this is only about 25% of the code (though of course it can vary). This is how our c…
Well, if you really want to have a native looking experience (even though it seems like apps look more and more different from one another, and increasingly less consistent), you can do that in Java, too, and with probably less work, and for free with world-class tools. I run NetBeans on my mac and it looks and behaves quite natively. Far from mediocre, I'd say.
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#55Cool stuff. Now how about running C# apps on the web? :)
You can also do javascript with it. I can't speak to it personally but friends have used Script# (http://scriptsharp.com/) for client-side javascript with good results. Never heard of anyone attempting node.js with it... yet.
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#56Xamarin's stuff looks really nice, but I really wish they had a non-profit free tier. I can't even make opensource Android apps without paying a lot. The other problem is the lack of linux support for their SDK. Seems rather odd, considering Mono's roots.
It personally pains me not to support Linux, but we get such a tiny fraction of our customer base coming from Linux that it isn't worth it. Not to mention that there is effectively no "Linux" platform and you have to select a subset of distro versions.
I'm sure most people would be ok with an Ubuntu version.
Perhaps more of your customers would use Linux for Xamarin stuff if it was available?
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#57This might be the final blow to Java on the desktop.
If Java is a terrible language and horribly designed then why do people still use it?
Because it really isn't. I think that most Java haters are very young web developers with but a few years of experience. Having said that, there are quite a few languages that are much more productive than Java, and are a better fit for, say, run-of-the-mill web development. But very few languages can beat Java's performance and tooling (especially when it comes to runtime monitoring and profiling). More productive JVM languages make the best of both worlds, though.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
At a $1,000 a license? I don't think so.
$1,000 seems pretty meager to me. If I can share well over 50% of my code across multiple platforms then that is code that I don't have to rewrite in another language. If that 50% takes more than 10 hours to reproduce (allocating my time at $100.00/hr) then it is well worth the expense. That doesn't even factor in the time saved in maintaining the application going forward. Granted, if you are just building a small a…
I think it's more important that it's prohibitive to play around with it or produce open source software.
Re: Your C# App on 66 Million Macs: Announcing Xamarin.Mac
#59Where does this leave MonoMac? http://www.mono-project.com/MonoMac states that Xamarin.Mac has broader API coverage; does this mean MonoMac will continue to be developed, but just remain as a (free) subset with LGPL portions?
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally, I think computing power has hit the point where Java desktop apps and applets aren't that big a deal. I've got one running on my desktop right now. It runs for day's on end without being a significant burden to the rest of the system.
It's the quality of the experience, GUI, not just the resource-hoging of Java Desktop app. And even for that "It runs for day's on end without being a significant burden to the rest of the system" is hardly something to write home about.
I don't know. I spend most of my time working with NetBeans on a mac, and it's just as pretty as Keynote, while more responsive and stable. So, yeah, NetBeans, a huge Java Swing application, provides a better experience on a mac than Keynote.