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The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Re: The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Post by mdp2021 »

lazide wrote: post #50
mdp2021 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show it. If your argument would be that these times would be much better than those of one century ago, prove it. If you believe that these times would be "civilized", and not «immensely barbaric and dark ages», argument it. What I said was, in reply to the note that entering a country could be considered a privilege (could not be considered a right), that nowadays the authoritativeness of countries is very greatly d…

a claim without evidence can be dismissed just as easily. you’re the one making a claim it’s particularly barbaric right now, compared to… pretty much the rest of human history presumably? it’s pretty boring recapping Stalin, Hitler, Ghenghis Khan, Khmer Rouge, the Red Scare/McCarthyism, etc.

Oh no, I compared it to decency.

And your examples do not falsify my statement.

Statement which is, by the way, differently expressed by Henry Kissinger ("Leadership", 2022): the defining traits of current administrations are increasing mediocrity and inadequacy.

Re: The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Post by lazide »

mdp2021 wrote: post #51
lazide wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a claim without evidence can be dismissed just as easily. you’re the one making a claim it’s particularly barbaric right now, compared to… pretty much the rest of human history presumably? it’s pretty boring recapping Stalin, Hitler, Ghenghis Khan, Khmer Rouge, the Red Scare/McCarthyism, etc.

Oh no, I compared it to decency. And your examples do not falsify my statement. Statement which is, by the way, differently expressed by Henry Kissinger ("Leadership", 2022): the defining traits of current administrations are increasing mediocrity and inadequacy.

uh huh.

Re: The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Post by SR2Z »

petterroea wrote: post #21
mdp2021 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, whatever it means, cannot mean losses of personal rights.

It means you aren't entitled to visit a foreign country. You aren't entitled to them letting you in. Of course in a perfect world we all trust each other and have open borders, but that's a privilege we have to work for. I'm European and enjoy the open borders, but also am well aware that such a situation is not a given. Cannot mean loss of personal rights, sure. Showing up at a border and being required to give up p…

I'm sure this has already been pointed out to you, but this was an American citizen returning to America. This guy had rights under the 4th Amendment.

No matter what the government claims, they do not have carte blanche to inspect digital files that are physically being carried across the border. I guess technically deleting them may have been a crime, but the government better have a great explanation for why they wanted to see those files if it's gonna charge him.

Re: The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Post by inemesitaffia »

rmarquis wrote: post #18
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #9

Disgusting. I’ve never had to let anyone touch my phone in my entire life in any country I’ve visited. Is there a list of countries that does this? At this point it’s obvious I won’t ever be traveling to the US, but I’m curious if genuinely authoritarian countries like China are actually less of a police state at the border than the USA.

I've been to China recently. No phone search whatsoever. Their Internet is behind the famous Great Firewall though, but there is no issue using a (foreigner-only) unlocked sim or e-sim to access the rest of the Internet.

Try Xinjiang

Re: The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

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Post by mdp2021 »

lazide wrote: post #52
mdp2021 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, I compared it to decency. And your examples do not falsify my statement. Statement which is, by the way, differently expressed by Henry Kissinger ("Leadership", 2022): the defining traits of current administrations are increasing mediocrity and inadequacy.

uh huh.

The point was that the "disagreement from most countries" must be contextualized in its weight recalibrated in their (in general) authoritativeness, which has reached abysmal lows recently.

If you do not agree, show that these times would not be represented by Cummings' judgement "stupid like a box of snakes". My denunciations are around, and I do not wish to be suspected as inflammatory by the moderation by reiterating here.

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