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Re: Never Enough

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Post by franciscop »

ttd wrote: post #38
FinnLobsien wrote: post #33

> Technology was supposed to make room for life but instead for more and more people life is slowly being rearranged around AI. People fear being replaced by machines and respond by giving those machines more of their judgment, attention and time. And for what? Every “saved” hour is returned to a race with no finish line. I think this is true. I've recently heard Tim Ferriss say: Just because you can do something wel…

> Just because you can do something well doesn't mean it's worth doing. I'm not sure if there's more context to this quote, but on the surface: what a dismal take! Letting some measure of worth dictate what you do feels pretty limiting to me. I understand that he's not saying "make sure you attach worth to everything you do," but there's an implicit judgement process in what he's suggesting. If you do something well,…

I read it the opposite though; that it's the act of doing, not the (perfect) result, the thing that is valuable. e.g. it's better to paint a canvas badly because it's fun, than to have an AI generate a perfect image. It's not the image that is "well" that is worth it, it's you having fun while doing it that it's worth it.

I feel like you're conflating "having worth" (value) and "being worth doing" (it's good to do it) in here?

Re: Never Enough

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Post by MisterTea »

rglover wrote: post #32

> Technology was supposed to make room for life but instead for more and more people life is slowly being rearranged around AI. It's been downright spooky to watch people I know personally or been familiar with totally fall down the rabbit hole. That said, like with everything, it depends on the person. Some people are taking the Jack Nicholson route, others are finally taking time off and enjoying their life (I'm ta…

> (I'm taking off nights and weekends for the first time in a decade, solely because of the speed up of LLMs).

What did the LLM's speed up that was taking that time away from you?

Re: Never Enough

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Post by ofjcihen »

I really enjoy these short blurbs about something the author realized, felt, or just experienced.

It’s the same feeling as finding meaningful graffiti but on the internet. And yes, I mean that in a good way.

Re: Never Enough

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Post by lotsofpulp »

inigyou wrote: post #25
raychis wrote: post #24

This really captures the danger of turning every technological gain into a new expectation. AI may save us time, but if we simply reinvest that time into working harder and competing more, what have we actually gained? Throughout history there have been predictions that the next technological breakthrough will lead to us working less and living more fulfilled lives, that has never happened. Same seems to be happening…

"we" don't reinvest into working harder. Institutional shareholders, who control the large-scale structure of society, reinvest us into working harder.

If you keep your quality of life stagnant, then you don’t (generally) have to work harder.

If you want access to the cutting edge medicine, electronics, and other “new” stuff, then you do have to keep running on the treadmill.

Although, things like natural disasters and wars can shake things up.

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Post by oulipo »

rglover wrote: post #32

> Technology was supposed to make room for life but instead for more and more people life is slowly being rearranged around AI. It's been downright spooky to watch people I know personally or been familiar with totally fall down the rabbit hole. That said, like with everything, it depends on the person. Some people are taking the Jack Nicholson route, others are finally taking time off and enjoying their life (I'm ta…

> Technology was supposed to make room for life but instead for more and more people life is slowly being rearranged around AI.

It's not like we hadn't been warned by decades of sci-fi work, and researchers, and historians, telling us everything that would be wrong with AI

> I'm taking off nights and weekends for the first time in a decade, solely because of the speed up of LLMs

No you're not. You could very likely organize your life to have your nights and weekends without AI. It's just a choice you made not to do it before

Re: Never Enough

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Post by oulipo »

raychis wrote: post #24

This really captures the danger of turning every technological gain into a new expectation. AI may save us time, but if we simply reinvest that time into working harder and competing more, what have we actually gained? Throughout history there have been predictions that the next technological breakthrough will lead to us working less and living more fulfilled lives, that has never happened. Same seems to be happening…

Exactly. That's why the goal is to share the means of production among everyone

Re: Never Enough

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Post by vmg12 »

I get this same feeling when I see people taking photos for social media. I see the number of photos people take and I think of how sad it is that they are ruining their own experience for a photo that they might not ever see again.

Even the purported reason for these photos existing is sad, that they want to be able remember or relive the experience. Just get new experiences? That idea is much more uplifting to me.

Caveat, this obviously doesn't include once in a lifetime experiences that in my opinion it's justified to take photos of like marriage or things involving milestones of children etc.

Re: Never Enough

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Post by TFYS »

raychis wrote: post #24

This really captures the danger of turning every technological gain into a new expectation. AI may save us time, but if we simply reinvest that time into working harder and competing more, what have we actually gained? Throughout history there have been predictions that the next technological breakthrough will lead to us working less and living more fulfilled lives, that has never happened. Same seems to be happening…

This is how it will be until we figure out how to organize human life without competition. Too many of our systems are based on us competing against each other (markets, nation states), so we always have to maximize production or risk falling behind our competitors and getting devoured. We need to co-operate more instead of competing if we want to get out of this loop.

Re: Never Enough

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Post by pedalpete »

vmg12 wrote: post #57

I get this same feeling when I see people taking photos for social media. I see the number of photos people take and I think of how sad it is that they are ruining their own experience for a photo that they might not ever see again. Even the purported reason for these photos existing is sad, that they want to be able remember or relive the experience. Just get new experiences? That idea is much more uplifting to me.…

I'm amazed how many people I see taking photos of their coffee. Like "this is the one I want to remember". It's like the joy of novelty has been replaced by the potential and short-lived dopamine of a social like.

Re: Never Enough

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Post by abirch »

raychis wrote: post #24

This really captures the danger of turning every technological gain into a new expectation. AI may save us time, but if we simply reinvest that time into working harder and competing more, what have we actually gained? Throughout history there have been predictions that the next technological breakthrough will lead to us working less and living more fulfilled lives, that has never happened. Same seems to be happening…

"one of history's few iron laws is that luxuries tend to become necessities and to spawn new obligations."

Yuval Noah Harari

Think about email. There is usually an expectation of a response within minutes/hours and not weeks/months like mail of the 1900s

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