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VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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The extreme majority, yeah. The guys doing it are less popular, although they also have a kind of "anime husband" aesthetic.

> The guys doing it are less popular I get the impression that a lot of the female characters are dudes.

That used to be the case, but dudes through a voice changer are quite rare now.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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post #26

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That's what many western VTubers don't get, they see it as an "avatar" for themselves which is not what VTubing is. It's supposed to be a completely different persona with no connection to your real identity. It completely dilluted (and I would say even ruined) VTubing in the west.

Supposed by whom?

Japanese idol culture and the first few vtubers, iirc

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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post #16

Strange omission to talk about the general anti-AI sentiment, while not mentioning that the #3 most-watched English VTuber (Neuro-sama) is an LLM – who is actually widely accepted as a "good" use of AI by other VTubers and viewers.

I think neuro-sama has been accepted because she isn't deceptive. It's very clear that Neuro-sama isn't a real person or even really intelligent. The other big reason is that she collaborates with other vtubers and has brought new audiences to them.

Also, arguably nowadays the main streamer is Vedal, her (for lack of a better term) handler. Part of the fun is seeing them interact

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#54
post #17

The latest and greatest method of exploiting and monetizing the male loneliness epidemic.

I've personally met more women into vtubers as a whole than men. Though, I've met a lot more men who exclusively watch a single vtuber to an almost obsessive degree. This probably has its roots, like most things in the scene, in Japanese idol culture. At least from what I've seen, women are more likely to enjoy the entire experience surrounding the industry instead of just a single idol or group

Also, this completely ignores the small but not insignificant minority of male vtubers

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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post #12

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For the big VTuber corporate brand, for sure. But the indie VTuber scene as exploded. It used to be fairly expensive to get in the hobby, and you needed to be technically savy or have someone be for you. Now there is a lot of free and open-source VTuber software that don't need complex setup, just a webcam. And you can easily commission a few hundred bucks an artist to get your whole character and animation. This mad…

It's not 2018 anymore, so that's not quite true. By now free models have been there forever, and indies have been using them for as long. I mean, Filian has already been using one over 4 years ago. Which caused some problems with merchandising, but that's a different can of worms.

> Which caused some problems with merchandising, but that's a different can of worms.

Can you expand on this? Are they not able to sell merch since they don't "own" their design?

How popular are they? Have they considered buying the model from the authors?

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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post #55
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not 2018 anymore, so that's not quite true. By now free models have been there forever, and indies have been using them for as long. I mean, Filian has already been using one over 4 years ago. Which caused some problems with merchandising, but that's a different can of worms.

> Which caused some problems with merchandising, but that's a different can of worms. Can you expand on this? Are they not able to sell merch since they don't "own" their design? How popular are they? Have they considered buying the model from the authors?

that fillian controversy gives me flashbacks.... suprisingly little of that controversy seems to have survived, even though its only been 2 years.

this one is the only thing i could scrounge up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXOyo1BM6Y - but always take what he says with a barrel of salt, he'S more trying to drum up drama then actually portrait things truthfully

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#57

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The extreme majority, yeah. The guys doing it are less popular, although they also have a kind of "anime husband" aesthetic.

> The guys doing it are less popular I get the impression that a lot of the female characters are dudes.

This is a very tired insult/joke outsiders throw around about vtubing (though I don't get the impression that you had that intention). It's somewhat ridiculous, vtubers stream very often and voice changers tend to be pretty obvious. There are some men who use female avatars, but it isn't common.

It's also kinda misogynistic, plenty of women enjoy anime culture. Many prominent artists for vtuber models are also women (and occasionally vtubers themselves). To the level that calling the model artist "mama" and the model rigger "papa" is a common trope.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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That's a bit... late to the party. I can't find when the article was published, but the phenomenon "went worldwide" several years ago by the means of COVID. These days the vtubing as an industry is in a somewhat stable state, if not a possible decline, going by viewership hours over the same period. Many big EN and JP names have already retired too.

> I can't find when the article was published, but the phenomenon "went worldwide" several years ago by the means of COVID.

Article cites stats from Q1 2026, so presumably this is a current view of the phenomenon.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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That's a bit... late to the party. I can't find when the article was published, but the phenomenon "went worldwide" several years ago by the means of COVID. These days the vtubing as an industry is in a somewhat stable state, if not a possible decline, going by viewership hours over the same period. Many big EN and JP names have already retired too.

For the big VTuber corporate brand, for sure. But the indie VTuber scene as exploded. It used to be fairly expensive to get in the hobby, and you needed to be technically savy or have someone be for you. Now there is a lot of free and open-source VTuber software that don't need complex setup, just a webcam. And you can easily commission a few hundred bucks an artist to get your whole character and animation. This mad…

Nah weaboos and (us) furries been doing it for ages + not necessarily expensive at all, can use a webcam for basic ones for ages now.
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