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Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by vel0city »

basisword wrote: post #4
Cider9986 wrote: post #3

Actually effective way to protect kids without massive societal consequences and it also improves learning.

How is this effective at all? Every kid will continue to use them surreptitiously, as they always have.

I can only speak for what I've seen, and my state has banned phones during school.

Before the ban, students would just openly use devices during class. Teachers were essentially powerless to do anything. Kids would be openly playing games, watching videos, etc with practically no recourse.

Now with the state law actually forcing it, enforcement is mugh higher. If phones are caught out the administration takes the devices and requires a parent to come into the school to sign off and release the device.

Does some usage still happen? Sure. Is it far less than before and considerably less during actual classtime? Absolutely.

It's like you're arguing murder still happens even though it's illegal so what's the point of making it a crime.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by cael450 »

hamper653 wrote: post #32
Aerroon wrote: post #22

Do we have any actual evidence that this significantly improves things? For example, can we expect Czech PISA scores to go up by 50 points from this change? Or is this one of those "it feels like it should be good, therefore it's good"? Or maybe "we asked a bunch of people whether they think it's good and they said yes"? You've got to remember that measures like this are limiting people's freedoms, so they need to pr…

> You've got to remember that measures like this are limiting people's freedoms Children’s freedoms ought to be limited, yes.

"This law might force kids into doing something other than whatever they want, whenever they want, with zero consequences. What happened to freedom?"

So many people have wacky ideas on how to raise kids these days. I question the effectiveness of laws like these, but they are worth trying out. And I think a lot of parents in my generation (millenials) need some serious assistance with teaching kids boundaries.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by Jtsummers »

cyberax wrote: post #41
oblio wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of repetitive comment[1] is a bit like the bike lanes discussion: 1.City introduces bike lanes on street. 2. Residents complain about parking spaces going away, businesses complain about future bankruptcies due to fewer customers, general uproar is huge. 3. Residents discover bike lanes are quiet, and they also reduce ambient noise levels due to reduced car traffic, air is also cleaner, roads and intersecti…

> 3. Residents discover bike lanes are quiet, and they also reduce ambient noise levels due to reduced car traffic, air is also cleaner, roads and intersections are safer. Except that 3 doesn't actually happen... Bike lanes stay empty and kill businesses. In Seattle and Portland the businesses within 1 block of new bike lanes declined faster after 2019.

> In Seattle and Portland the businesses within 1 block of new bike lanes declined faster after 2019.

I wonder if there was some event that generally killed businesses relying on foot traffic some time after 2019 that could help explain that outcome. Perhaps once that event is identified, we can consider what businesses did survive and compare them to the foot traffic heavy businesses and see if there's some other qualitative difference between those that made it through and those that didn't.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by georgeburdell »

Cider9986 wrote: post #3

Actually effective way to protect kids without massive societal consequences and it also improves learning.

Stanford researchers studied the second assertion and found no change

https://ed.stanford.edu/news/national-study-school-cell-phon...

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by tyrust »

criddell wrote: post #31
HtmlProgrammer wrote: post #20

We were told no phones in schools. I used my phone. They confiscated it for 2 weeks. I was like yeah fair enough. I don’t understand why this isn’t done now?

My kids were basically required to have a phone for school. In theory they could use a laptop for everything but in practice it was assumed you had a phone. They were supposed to use the calendar for assignments (and were given time to use the calendar), the teacher would tell them to take a picture of the white board with their homework assignment on it, and they used some private app (don't know the name of it) for…

This is pretty wild, I had no idea any school was like this. What grade and area was this in? Public school?

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by zdragnar »

basisword wrote: post #8
happypappy123 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The only friction here is 'you're not allowed to do that' - which doesn't typically work on teenagers. We had the same rules for dumbbphones and iPod's 20 years ago and it didn't work then.

It absolutely worked in my school a little over 20 years ago. Teachers and staff always took away disallowed devices and that set the tone quite well.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by hamper653 »

ronsor wrote: post #48
hamper653 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phones should be banned from children’s lives altogether. They have no benefit for them, only harm.

Yes, yes, we've heard that about books, radio, film, television, and game consoles. I'll put your complaint in the queue.

> books, radio, film, television, and game consoles

None of these tools is designed for the sole purpose of interacting with random people on the internet.

A child can get all the potential benefits of a phone from books, radio, film, television and game consoles — all the while not interacting with random people on the internet.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by perfunctory »

Aerroon wrote: post #22

Do we have any actual evidence that this significantly improves things? For example, can we expect Czech PISA scores to go up by 50 points from this change? Or is this one of those "it feels like it should be good, therefore it's good"? Or maybe "we asked a bunch of people whether they think it's good and they said yes"? You've got to remember that measures like this are limiting people's freedoms, so they need to pr…

Forcing kids to go to school is already limiting their freedom

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by cyberax »

jmcgough wrote: post #49
cyberax wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Residents discover bike lanes are quiet, and they also reduce ambient noise levels due to reduced car traffic, air is also cleaner, roads and intersections are safer. Except that 3 doesn't actually happen... Bike lanes stay empty and kill businesses. In Seattle and Portland the businesses within 1 block of new bike lanes declined faster after 2019.

Source? There are so many explanations for that beyond just "bike lanes kill businesses".

My own research, using business tax receipts following the same methodology as in PeopleForBikes papers. Yes, I'm compiling them into a book.

Re: Czechia moves to ban mobile phones in schools from September 2027

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Post by Griffinsauce »

cyberax wrote: post #41
oblio wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of repetitive comment[1] is a bit like the bike lanes discussion: 1.City introduces bike lanes on street. 2. Residents complain about parking spaces going away, businesses complain about future bankruptcies due to fewer customers, general uproar is huge. 3. Residents discover bike lanes are quiet, and they also reduce ambient noise levels due to reduced car traffic, air is also cleaner, roads and intersecti…

> 3. Residents discover bike lanes are quiet, and they also reduce ambient noise levels due to reduced car traffic, air is also cleaner, roads and intersections are safer. Except that 3 doesn't actually happen... Bike lanes stay empty and kill businesses. In Seattle and Portland the businesses within 1 block of new bike lanes declined faster after 2019.

"after 2019" - you cannot be serious here right?
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