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Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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The only good news is it will envelop D.C. today. Fitting to force them to smell their passive dismissal of the global catastrophe of climate change.

In addition to climate change effects, do you think that preventing wildfires for decades contributes at all? My understanding is that managed burns can be useful at preventing the worst fire fires. The fact that some trees only germinate in the presence of wildfires points to wildfires being a very natural and pre-human thing. And recent wildfire management practices are likely a strong factor in recent wildfires.

Is it the case that Canada has been implemented substantial forest fire prevention practices?

I’m not an expert in forestry. It it doesn’t seem feasible that Canada was every really doing any large scale forest fire prevention simply due to the scale of the country and forests within it.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Underneath your sneering is a failure to understand how humans tend to act.

I don’t follow. If I believed the global climate was going to collapse imminently (it’s not) I would have a very specific to do list and would be spending every hour of my free time preparing for this event. Is your point that people performatively engage in catastrophizing? In which case, I agree.

My point is that individuals behave wildly differently to the same stimuli, and therefore your belief that "revealed preferences" put the lie to stated beliefs is specious. Individual humans can believe that a broad ecological collapse is coming and still live their day to day lives in ignorance of this belief. Self-assess honestly and you'll find examples in your own life.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t follow. If I believed the global climate was going to collapse imminently (it’s not) I would have a very specific to do list and would be spending every hour of my free time preparing for this event. Is your point that people performatively engage in catastrophizing? In which case, I agree.

My point is that individuals behave wildly differently to the same stimuli, and therefore your belief that "revealed preferences" put the lie to stated beliefs is specious. Individual humans can believe that a broad ecological collapse is coming and still live their day to day lives in ignorance of this belief. Self-assess honestly and you'll find examples in your own life.

>Individual humans can believe that a broad ecological collapse is coming and still live their day to day lives in ignorance of this belief.

This sentence is contradictory. How could one believe a particular thing, and then intentionally live in ignorance of this thing?

>Self-assess honestly and you'll find examples in your own life.

Okay. I did the assessment. I found that when I have deeply held beliefs I live my life according to those beliefs. For example, I strongly believe that learning new languages is the most efficient way to maintain neuroplasticity, for a number of reasons. Therefore, I spend 30-60 minutes each day studying languages. Do you have examples in your own life where you believe something to be true, but then intentionally don't live your life as if that thing were true?

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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Norway also attacked today with a huge wildfire.

Same pattern as in France or Greece, with a wildfire starting at just 50 Km of Oslo, but with the smoke aiming directly to choke the capital, like in Paris, or Athens in recent years.

Meanwhile Russian is growing desperate after Ukraine has been targeting its oil tankers one by one in the last month. Germany, Finland, Swedden or Poland should be extra careful in the next weeks.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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Its definitely not part of forest fires that have raged for centuries. In the past thousand years, we have never seen a single season where 4% of Canada's entire forest area burned down. The 2023 season torched over 15 million hectares, completely shattering the natural baseline. It's entirely unprecedented. The line about this being normal sounds like the talking points climate skeptic grifters like Bjorn Lomborg us…

> In the past thousand years, we have never seen a single season where 4% of Canada's entire forest area burned down You cannot possibly know this, you do not have accurate records of forrest fires that occurred 800+ years before Canada was even founded. Wildfires abide by power law distributions [1][2] meaning that enormous outliers like the one in 2023 (and maybe even this year) are not unexpected with a long fat t…

> do not have accurate records of forest fires that occurred 800+ years before

In fact we have incomplete, but detailed, records since 7000 years ago. The remains of 2000 Yo trunks can be found on swamps and peat bogs. Ancient wildfires left marks on the grow rings, that had been read for scientists since generations.

Dendrochronology and dendroclimatology, two entire science fields, had been created around this.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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I have a stupid question about seasonal wildfires. I was under the impression that a lot of wildfires occurred because too much brush had built up and natural burns had been foolishly prevented by firefighters. However in the past 10 years, it seems that there are many, yearly, huge wildfires in the same areas. Why doesn't the brush get burned down? ie, why is there not a Canadian wildfire every 5-10 years? Why yearl…

> I was under the impression that a lot of wildfires occurred because too much brush had built up

1) People promoting the cattle invading natural areas as a solution, often omit that this means the slow death of the forest.

When the cattle is allowed to enter in a forest, from this point on, no tree sapling will survive. The ecological regeneration is permanently damaged and the forest recedes and turns into an open area with a few isolated trees. With the climate change accelerating, and each new tree counting, this is bad news for us.

2) They also ignore that wild herbivores and insects also eat (a lot of) dry plants.

Biologists have discovered than, under some circumstances, the role of ants in that sense can be more relevant than the role of deer.

3) They forget also that brush is removed by fungus all the time, turning woody stuff into a spongy matter that accumulates water.

A healthy forest can sustain more Kg of soil roundworms than Kg of deer. Most people ignore this and follow only the loudest voices

TV programs invariably, each single time, will show somebody bitterly claiming that "the evil ecologists don't allow locals to remove dead wood". This programs are basically justifying the arsonists. They feed on drama, and never, ever, no way, will interview anybody calmly explaining that there is a good reason for that: After a while, dead wood means fertile soil (= CO2 storage) and water storage. This protects us from both wildfires and climate change.

Both problems should have priority over the desire of farmers to increase its patrimony in 50 sheep plus, by invading natural areas and stealing its plants.

About the fires starting to burn yearly, take in mind that the use of the soil has changed. This is not a forest anymore. Farmers are known to use fire routinely to "regenerate" pastures. When they earn rights to manage new place as they please, the frequency of wildfires will typically increase, even if they are less serious. Is a vicious circle.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

#57
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What in the world are you talking about? This gets discussed all the time. The impact is not making it even worse at this point. And you talk as if posting on HN was equivalent to starting a coal-fired power plant in your backyard.

Yeah great example of what I’m talking about. Technology people on the technology website don’t seem interested in figuring out how to use technology to mitigate any effects of a changing climate. All they care about is “carbon number go down”, as if turning off power plants magically reduces the amount of fires.

Well it sure sounded like you were arguing that climate change was not a causal factor, which is ridiculous.

Of course we are going to need to use technology to mitigate the effects, even if we stop all carbon emissions tomorrow we are already dealing with an altered climate. You can't just vacuum up all the carbon and put it in the ground, and you can't get all the warm freshwater out of the oceans. I don't think I've ever seen a claim that we only need to stop carbon emissions and everything will be fine, here or otherwise.

You're arguing against something that people don't really say, and in the process you're making arguments in support of climate change denial. Are you really surprised people are pushing back on you?

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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post #54

Norway also attacked today with a huge wildfire. Same pattern as in France or Greece, with a wildfire starting at just 50 Km of Oslo, but with the smoke aiming directly to choke the capital, like in Paris, or Athens in recent years. Meanwhile Russian is growing desperate after Ukraine has been targeting its oil tankers one by one in the last month. Germany, Finland, Swedden or Poland should be extra careful in the ne…

Context matters.

July 6 2026 provoked wildfire in Dorsey UK.

July 7 2026 Prime Minister Carney announced military assistance for Ukraine, including $475 million for the purchase of ammunition, nearly $400 million to build 35 Canadian-made armoured vehicles, and $50 million to provide critical technology and engineering equipment.

July 10 2026 Several wildfires in UK that week. Arsonist woman detained later. Zelensky meets Graham and US implement sanctions against Russia.

July 11 2026. Lindsey Graham dies.

July 12 2026. Large wildfire starts in Ontario. One of the biggest recorded in the area. In two days there will be 180 wildfires active in Ontario.

July 13 2026. Macron meets Zelensky. A 19 Yo arsonist starts a wildfire in Fontainebleu forest near Paris the same day (It has reignited several times since that). July 14 2026. France will allow Ukraine to produce French-made cruise missiles, precision guided bombs and air defense interceptor missiles

July 15 2026. Norway will join the Special Tribunal for the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. Holding Russia accountable for crimes committed against Ukraine is a key priority for the Norwegian Government. Two days later: Largest Wildfire in the modern history of Norway starts near Oslo

July 16 2026. Starmer meets Zelensky. Wildfire in Scotland.

Wildfires starting or active in: California, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, Texas and Florida between July 7 and July 18.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

#59
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah great example of what I’m talking about. Technology people on the technology website don’t seem interested in figuring out how to use technology to mitigate any effects of a changing climate. All they care about is “carbon number go down”, as if turning off power plants magically reduces the amount of fires.

Well it sure sounded like you were arguing that climate change was not a causal factor, which is ridiculous. Of course we are going to need to use technology to mitigate the effects, even if we stop all carbon emissions tomorrow we are already dealing with an altered climate. You can't just vacuum up all the carbon and put it in the ground, and you can't get all the warm freshwater out of the oceans. I don't think I'…

The initial claim here was that these fires are the result of political leadership in my country deciding to not nuke the economy to make a number on a chart go down, or at least stabilize. I'm not going to argue the finer points of how much carbon release actually matters, because I think the right way to think about it is "increasing carbon release in atmosphere is not a good idea". I am in fact not arguing against something that people don't really say, because, again, this whole argument was started by people claiming that my country is responsible for Canada's inability to do basic forest fire prevention.

>and in the process you're making arguments in support of climate change denial

I am in fact not. Climate change "denial", such as this is even a real conviction that exists, is simply a phrase used as a hammer to get people to agree with a particular political program. Do you support declaring war on China and India and grinding their economies to a screeching halt? Because that would actually be the most effective way to drop carbon emissions back down to pre-1990s levels. The only countries that care about this stuff are the ones where their carbon emissions are a rounding error. The ones that don't care about this are the actual problems.

Re: 800 Canadian wildfires burning as air quality alerts extend to US

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it sure sounded like you were arguing that climate change was not a causal factor, which is ridiculous. Of course we are going to need to use technology to mitigate the effects, even if we stop all carbon emissions tomorrow we are already dealing with an altered climate. You can't just vacuum up all the carbon and put it in the ground, and you can't get all the warm freshwater out of the oceans. I don't think I'…

The initial claim here was that these fires are the result of political leadership in my country deciding to not nuke the economy to make a number on a chart go down, or at least stabilize. I'm not going to argue the finer points of how much carbon release actually matters, because I think the right way to think about it is "increasing carbon release in atmosphere is not a good idea". I am in fact not arguing against…

> Canada's inability to do basic forest fire prevention.

Australian here. What makes you think the "forest fire prevention" methods you outlined upthread are "basic"?

Have they ever been performed at the scale required in the history of European occupation of North America?

Normally dry lightening doesn't cause so many strikes to spark, nor do sparked fires normally spread so far and fast. Regardless of cause there are vast areas of remote forest covered land with extremely low moisture indexes - ie. dry as a tinderbox.

Clearing that land area of dry under brush and criss crossing it with wide firebreaks is no casual undertaking.

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