according to https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 > The industry standard for the recovery of lithium (remember there is a difference between recovery and extraction) is 90%, with some platforms now achieving 95%+ like those that use carbonation.
What is the standard non-renewable resource used for the recovery process? What materials are used up as catalysts to convert it back?
Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspect…
If you live in Tokyo or Osaka you really shouldn’t own a car
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#53Can this be replaced with the original NHK World article?
Edit: linked article is also from April.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the standard non-renewable resource used for the recovery process? What materials are used up as catalysts to convert it back?
more importantly what is the cost versus getting it the non recyclable way
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#55Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they are all 100% made by Panasonic, with Panasonic technology, in buildings that Panasonic master-leases from Tesla. The only thing Tesla has contributed is the shell and the sign outside. Panasonic developed the 4680 form factor at Tesla's request, by the way that program has been a major failure.
> No, they are all 100% made by Panasonic, with Panasonic technology, in buildings that Panasonic master-leases from Tesla Gigafactory Nevada is jointly operated by Tesla and Panasonic [1]. That's in America. (No clue on the master lease bit. Would be curious for your source.) [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/panaso...
But the QC tests to Yazaki's deisred level didn't exist yet, and Tesla did their own tests. And Tesla was maximizing it's "Made in the US" stance, which either goes by weight or components.
So Yazaki was secretly making unlabeled high-voltage connectors in Japan, selling them to Tesla, who could then test them themselves and claim falsely the source of production.
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#57Re: Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries
#58The main thing actually holding back the recycling industry is the lack of batteries that need recycling, not the lack of technology needed to recycle them. Most of the batteries produced in the last ten years are still being used. And quite a few might head for a second life in storage for another decade or so. It's probably going to be another decade before recycling hits a scale where it becomes a significant and lucrative source of valuable raw materials.
And as others mentioned, it's not just about recycling the lithium in batteries. It's not like cobalt, nickel, copper, graphite, etc. end up on the trash heap.
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#59What about the cost? In China, most used batteries are just burned and buried, so the recycling cost is very low.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your opinion/experience, why is it that they aren't switching?
I have a theory: Japanese car's have excellent reliability, their interiors and design are lacking. If every car in the world is an EV, which due to their relative simplicity tend to be reliable, what remaining unique selling points does eg a toyota have?