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Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training

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Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training

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Post by antalis »

abroszka33 wrote: post #27
wolvoleo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but that consent must be given freely. There can't be undue pressure. Unfortunately this part is not well defined but it looks like the AI training part is not required to deliver the service to the specific user so I do think that if challenged it will be ruled afoul of GDPR.

I think Facebook lost a similar lawsuit recently where you had to accept that they can use your data or pay to access the site. And it was found illegal in the EU. The problem is that it takes years and users don't wait for years. There should be a way to harm these companies more on the EU level.

They can get fined for up to 2 or 4% of their global annual revenue depending on the violation severity.

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Post by aftbit »

mcmcmc wrote: post #48
JoshTriplett wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really feel like "grab" is quite condescending By all means, let's use a more appropriate term, like "abuse" or "misappropriate". It's not sufficiently condescending for a company that's trying to train AI on people's private health data.

Do you think those services are “free”? If you want cloud storage and syncing, it comes at a price. If you’re not paying with money, you’re paying with your privacy and freedom.

I sorta assumed they were making money from selling you the device.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

mcmcmc wrote: post #48
JoshTriplett wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really feel like "grab" is quite condescending By all means, let's use a more appropriate term, like "abuse" or "misappropriate". It's not sufficiently condescending for a company that's trying to train AI on people's private health data.

Do you think those services are “free”? If you want cloud storage and syncing, it comes at a price. If you’re not paying with money, you’re paying with your privacy and freedom.

We are not required to permit every possible business model to exist. Companies are desperately trying to get their hands on every piece of data they can get to train AI, hence the abominable use of "opt out", which is already horrible even without the added bait-and-switch coercion of "or we'll make the device you already purchased worse".

"pay or consent" stunts have already been ruled illegal under the GDPR. This goes even further than that, where you don't even have the option to pay.

Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training

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Post by garbagewoman »

vcryan wrote: post #21

Yes, please - delete my health data. I want my health data - I didn't want Samsung or anyone else to have it unless I provide it. And even then, you can't keep it - you can look at it. It's mine.

You’re hoping that they will do what they say

Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training

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Post by andy99 »

rdtsc wrote: post #7

> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details So you buy a device but you can't effectively use half of its features because you'd also have to agree to send them your medical records? Ok then if I refuse, will they refund 50% of the device price since now it's not usable any more?

I had a ~2008 vintage Samsung phone with a fingerprint sensor that gave your blood oxygen level (SpO2). One day it told me something similar, I had to agree to send them data or I couldn’t use it. So I never used it again, but yeah they have been abusing their costumers a long time.

This is they same company whose tvs take pictures of what you are watching and send them back to Samsung.

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Post by tamimio »

I actually don’t know why people are always surprised when this happens, it’s not your data anymore no matter whatever regulations are there. The other day I reactivated my apple music to get a specific shazam song (I don’t use it anymore or any SaaS for that matter, have my navidrome server for years), but little to my surprise, all my playlists and songs are gone, deleted, everything as if it’s a new account! I thought it’s a glitch and googled it, turned out there are a LOT of people who had all their years of music wiped out for not having the subscription for two weeks only.. so yeah, always own your stuff, especially if you pay for it.

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Post by wolvoleo »

andy99 wrote: post #57
rdtsc wrote: post #7

> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details So you buy a device but you can't effectively use half of its features because you'd also have to agree to send them your medical records? Ok then if I refuse, will they refund 50% of the device price since now it's not usable any more?

I had a ~2008 vintage Samsung phone with a fingerprint sensor that gave your blood oxygen level (SpO2). One day it told me something similar, I had to agree to send them data or I couldn’t use it. So I never used it again, but yeah they have been abusing their costumers a long time. This is they same company whose tvs take pictures of what you are watching and send them back to Samsung.

Every TV does that unfortunately. It's called automatic content recognition but every manufacturer has a different euphemism for it.

It's definitely not just Samsung. As bad as this is. The problem is bigger than just them.

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