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Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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> There isn't much evidence at all that inference is "subsidised" (and by whom?) Well... why else would the major providers now tighten the screws on per-token pricing?

Because they thought they could. Turns out the Chinese and Elon had other plans.

The Chinese providers are just as much getting subsidies from the CCP, and Musk/SpaceX is (indirectly) raiding retirement funds to fund the bonanza.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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I know that market, and people for that matter don't care, but the environmentalist in me questions the word "needs" in the context of using AI.

I'd be more OK with it if prices weren't subsidized so much and people actually had to pay to ask opus how to pee, then maybe we would realize we don't need beefier models for everything

I get what you're saying, but I'm guessing that people asking how to pee is a drop in the bucket compared to the agentic loops being called to rename some variables across a project.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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> price CO2 emissions at the actual cost of sucking the thing back out if the atmosphere This is the only relevant bit actually. The rest will follow from there. And in principle, at least in Europe, we already have some mechanisms to do this. We'd "just" have to up the prices. BUT of course with the right wing on the advance, and with them having identified basic physics (i.e. climate change) as a culture war terrai…

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It’s anxiety about tipping points more than conspiracy theories. If you look at the figures in the various scenarios without even factoring them in: hundreds of millions to billions face food and water insecurity. You may be insulated enough from the direct effects but what about what they trigger? Already even our wealthy societies are being strained by rising food prices, extreme weather, and dysfunctional migration.

We don’t know exactly what the tipping points would lead to but we do know it would be some degree of a more severe and abrupt decline across the board.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Not to worry.

There are laws in the EU that will save the planet, like drinking from soggy paper straws instead of normal ones and requiring caps stay attached in plastic bottles.

And just to make sure, at least in Poland they now charge you $0.10 if you buy anything plastic until you bring it back to the grocery store empty.

We are safe.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they thought they could. Turns out the Chinese and Elon had other plans.

The Chinese providers are just as much getting subsidies from the CCP, and Musk/SpaceX is (indirectly) raiding retirement funds to fund the bonanza.

The truly cheap Chinese models are usually the open weights ones so while there may be a training subsidy, the inference prices reflect real costs.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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No idea what you're talking about. My local utility lit up 100MW of solar over the last year alone. Everywhere I look is doing the same.

He's talking about the interconnection queue. You see the 100MW of solar they're wiring up, but not the hundreds of gigawatts in the queue.

I imagine it'd be a lot easier to get a giant datacenter through the queue and connected if said datacenter also generated more than it's own needs with solar and grid scale battery. You'd essentially be asking the grid to act as a backup and sink for spare generation. Avoiding a need for central generation capacity buildout.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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The optimal number of data centers is just enough so that my personal use is covered. No more. No less. Screw other people’s needs and demands because I know better. Pluralism? What’s that?

So infinite? There’s no amount of compute that would satisfy everyone’s needs and demands.

Isn’t this exactly the type of thing that a market is designed to discover, which we’re seeing unfold right now?

Yes, maybe they’re building too many right now, who knows. It’s very likely that demand for computation will go up in the future, and EVs are also going to be consuming much more electricity, so all governments better start preparing for more (clean) electrical supply.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Pretty small if you consider the value they provide, honestly. And they'll ride the transition to green energy for "free".

Is this value in the room with us?

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