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New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

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Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#51
post #17

What an irony - the once European colonies which depended on their motherlands to defend them in an alien land, now become a menace or estranged godfather to Europe.

Now? The last name of the man who conquered Europe through a crusade of enormous bloodshed was Eisenhower.

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#52
post #17

What an irony - the once European colonies which depended on their motherlands to defend them in an alien land, now become a menace or estranged godfather to Europe.

At least 25% of us Americans have never had blood or ethnic ties with Europe. African Americans make up around 15% of the US, Asian Americans around 7%, Arab Americans around 1.5%, and Native Americans around 2%. That percentage is likely much higher when you factor Latino Americans - the plurality of whom either have indigenous or African ethnic origins. And some of America's richest and most politically powerful st…

> African Americans make up around 15%

Almost all African Americans have some European heritage by blood. If you go to Africa you will see some truly dark skinned people, who haven't any European ancestry. How can you not have noticed this in a world of global broadcasts?

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#53
post #40

> But chances are, almost none of those coming realises that the US's political and ideological birthplace was once part of a little-known Swedish colony known as Nya Sverige (New Sweden). Or they think Virginia has a strong claim to be "the US's political and ideological birthplace." The author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson was from Virginia. The "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, wa…

> But chances are, almost none of those coming realises that [Philadelphia] was once part of a little-known Swedish colony known as Nya Sverige (New Sweden).

That's all it's trying to say in this sentence. It's not trying to say that the New Sweden colony was actually the US's political and ideological birthplace. (That's how you read it, right? I'm not sure how your last sentence makes sense otherwise; Philadelphia was a creation of the same European country as Virginia.)

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> America is European When I hear this, I think of the philosophy, system of laws, language, etc. in America - and not the percentages we get when we segregate the American population by their ancestors.

What I mean is we aren't going to give European states undue favoritism due to personal ties, which Brzeziński, Kissinger, and Albright all did in some shape or form. After 1945, Western Europe got Pan-Atlanticism but now much more dynamic South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, etc got dictatorships, military rule, and single party rule. Now that we are pivoting to our Hemisphere and Asia due to G2, the gloves have begun to fal…

"US-Asia trade already dwarfs US-Europe trade", that is not really true now is it? Here is a quote from John Hopkins foreign policy institute in their THE TRANSATLANTIC ECONOMY 2026 report: "The facts are straightforward but often ignored. The $9.8 trillion commercial relationship between the United States and Europe is by a wide margin the deepest, broadest, and most mutually beneficial between any two continents in history – and those ties are accelerating despite the headline noise." Source: https://www.uschamber.com/assets/documents/Transatlantic-Eco... The EU is the worlds largest trading block, anyone is welcome not doing business with us, but it will likely be at your loss.

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#55

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they did

They briefly visited, they didn't "conquer"

The Vikings didn’t “conquer” new lands the way you might imagine. Rather than just raiding, they often settled, intermingled with the locals farmers and established new states.

As seen in Scottish Isles, Ireland, Danelaw (England), Ukraine, Faroes, Iceland, Normandy, Greenland, Newfoundland etc they sack some leadership but quickly integrate and evolve into mostly peaceful farming societies

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#56
post #37

I'm wondering why the Vikings didn't conquer the Americas long before.

I blame it all on one guy. What if that plonker who broke ranks on the English side during the battle of Hastings after the English had successfully held the high ground against the French all day stayed in bed that morning, and William the Conqueror just had to bugger off back where he came from? The British Isles turn away from Europe and develop stronger ties with Scandinavian countries over the ensuing centuries. A kingdom of the north eventually extends to encompass Iceland, Greenland, Newfoundland, and the Iroquois confederation well before Columbus. With first contact happening at a time when neither side has any technological advantage, the relationship becomes more of an alliance than a colonization. I don't know how to extrapolate further except to imagine that the world looks very different.

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#58
post #37

I'm wondering why the Vikings didn't conquer the Americas long before.

The English didn't have the easiest time of it, despite substantially more advanced technology, much better resources backing up the whole enterprise, and a native population devastated by diseases brought earlier by the Spanish.

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

#59

There are a number of lesser-known chunks of American history like this. One of my favorites is that Santa Fe has been the capital city of Nuevo Mexico since 1610. Acoma, another city in modern-day New Mexico, is about 500 years older still. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoma_Pueblo

> One of my favorites is that Santa Fe has been the capital city of Nuevo Mexico since 1610. Acoma, another city in modern-day New Mexico, is about 500 years older still We were taught this in California in elementary school. Spanish colonial history actually tends to be taught at the same time or earlier than East Coast history in much of the American West (usually as "California" or "Texas" or "Colorado" history).

I grew up in Texas and took Texas history. I learned things like Texas being the only US state that was once an independent country and where the Six Flags came from (later the name of an amusement park empire that originated in Texas).

But they never taught us much about New Mexico.

Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the Netherlands was already a democracy before the USA's Declaration of Independence They were a republic.

The Republic of Venice formed in 697

While technically correct, that doesn't prevent the Netherlands from also being one a millennium later.
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