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Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by makapuf »

titzer wrote: post #42
thewhitetulip wrote: post #32

Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still?

Because rich people want more money. They keep saying it's for the good of humanity and some useful idiots keep repeating that. A more balanced tax policy, regulation of financial markets, incentives to renewals, stopping investment in fossil fuels, increasing energy efficiency, and rewilding could all help, but we won't do a lick of it, because every single one of those things goes against the billionaires who own t…

I'm 100% behind it, but would regulation of financial markets and balanced tax policy do for global warming ? Sure heavy regulation of industries and fossil fuels usage but financial markets, im not sure.

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Post by k__ »

"Europe's rapid warming is partly the result of [...] a drop in the number of tiny polluting particles in the air. This means that less of the Sun's energy is reflected back into space, leaving more energy to heat the Earth's surface."

Hmmm...

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by dismalaf »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #32

Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still?

Do you really think Russia, China, India or developing countries are going to stop using fossil fuels if we stop?

If the west de-industrializes then our enemies will destroy us... Russia's literally invading Europe right now (albeit poorly).

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

mike_hock wrote: post #33
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It's really as simple as this: Southern climates are moving north. (In the northern hemisphere.) If you want a vision of the future, consider a New England that looks more like the Southeast. There will be winners and losers. As climate zones move toward the poles, weather patterns and agricultural viability will shift with them. This will eventually turn current breadbaskets into deserts while warming up northe…

Climate change itself is not gonna endanger humans as a species, but secondary effects might. Such as wars resulting from dramatic shifts in the value of territories and wars over resources.

War won't end human existence. If there's one thing you can learn from the recent wars in Iran and Ukraine, it's that conventional air-bombing has acquired a terrible cost:efficacy ratio that cannot be sustained, that drones have leveled the playing field on the ground, and that attackers generally appear to lack the stomach for mass mobilization and mass casualties in war.

Again, there'll be winners and losers. Some in fortresses; others in famines and droughts. It is, of course, imperative that we do what we can do now to mitigate this. But the continuation of the human species is, I am sure, not in doubt. Our ancestors in prehistoric times have, assuredly, gone through FAR worse, including real population bottlenecks.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by phreeza »

underdeserver wrote: post #17
notrealyme123 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think thats the wrong level of abstraction. The cold war ended, but clima change will not end.

It can change, if we get to net negative emissions. Not probable but possible.

Or solar geoengineering? Which is scary but becoming more likely it seems.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by adrianN »

inigyou wrote: post #45
makapuf wrote: post #40

What strikes me is the relative sharp change. CO2 has been rising since, what 250 years ? However real effects of global warming seems to be felt since, like 10 years old ?

The year-to-year fluctuations are much stronger than the overall trend. We notice only the record-breaking years and then we feel like the change occurred in the past year.

It helps that every other year is a record breaking year.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by stinkbeetle »

petesergeant wrote: post #20

If you’re wondering who to blame, as little as ten years ago: “Republican Senate environment chief uses snowball as prop in climate rant”[0] It’s an interesting plot twist in Termination Shock, where the popularist right shifts overnight from “it’s fake” to “real, but the liberals/globalists/experts betrayed us by doing nothing useful”. A reframe from environmentalism into grievance politics, which is already becomin…

USA is around 18th country in CO2 emissions per capita, and has reduced emissions per capita around as much as the combined EU since 2000, or a little more.

Can't see how some random politician is "to blame", that's pretty absurd claim, and not supported by the claimed evidence.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by rsynnott »

k__ wrote: post #53

"Europe's rapid warming is partly the result of [...] a drop in the number of tiny polluting particles in the air. This means that less of the Sun's energy is reflected back into space, leaving more energy to heat the Earth's surface." Hmmm...

This is a fairly well-known phenomenon, and sometimes comes up in geoengineering discussions. It’s dangerous ground; thing about fine particulate matter is you generally don’t want to breathe it.
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