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Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

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Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

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A bit meta - the names in this article made me chuckle: Goat Systems, Cowboy State Daily, Cupriavidus gilardii, Frank Strong the Board's Manager and the Crow Creek and Dry Creek facilities. This is gold for a comedy sketch :)

Often life doesn't just imitate a movie, but imitates a goofy movie.

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#52
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article this is a closed loop cooling system, once it’s up and running it doesn’t use any water. They run water through it during installation and that’s the discharge that they found bacteria in.

You can have a “closed loop system” but you need to shed heat somewhere and that is either by air cooling drawing tons of electricity, or evaporation that draws tons of water.

From the links in the article, it looks like this DC runs giant heat exchangers to dump the heat to air.

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#54

Is it really that expensive to not do stuff like this? I guess 'turning the entirety of the American public against data centers' is not something they factor into the cost analysis.

Is this a common problem? I would assume not, since it lead to a suspense, and that is probably very expensive and something you aim to avoid.

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#55

Is it really that expensive to not do stuff like this? I guess 'turning the entirety of the American public against data centers' is not something they factor into the cost analysis.

Yeah, unfortunately.

Effluent and wastewater companies have been getting greedy. If one suddenly 100x's your cost, you're fucked until you build onsite treatment or find a way to ship it out.

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#56
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the data centres that went to the extra expense of building a closed loop cooling system that would, supposedly, not waste water on a continuous basis. Apparently, even these are not so clean to set up. Governments are going to need to start paying more attention to the commissioning process apparently. -------- "Meta said that it's supporting its general contractor, Fortis, which stopped discharging a…

This closed loop system needs to be filled and flushed, which is the operation discussed in the article. The bacterium was described as a possible airborne hazard if used for irrigation, it's not a regulated substance though so dump and dilute might be perfectly safe.

Might be. Might not be. To put it another way, would you want this waste water diluted and dumped in a lake you swim in or a river you fish in without proper study and regulation?

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#57
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article this is a closed loop cooling system, once it’s up and running it doesn’t use any water. They run water through it during installation and that’s the discharge that they found bacteria in.

You can have a “closed loop system” but you need to shed heat somewhere and that is either by air cooling drawing tons of electricity, or evaporation that draws tons of water.

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Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#58
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article this is a closed loop cooling system, once it’s up and running it doesn’t use any water. They run water through it during installation and that’s the discharge that they found bacteria in.

You can have a “closed loop system” but you need to shed heat somewhere and that is either by air cooling drawing tons of electricity, or evaporation that draws tons of water.

> air cooling drawing tons of electricity

Reference? What's the efficiency of the systems like used here?

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#59
post #32

Is it really that expensive to not do stuff like this? I guess 'turning the entirety of the American public against data centers' is not something they factor into the cost analysis.

This is one of the data centres that went to the extra expense of building a closed loop cooling system that would, supposedly, not waste water on a continuous basis. Apparently, even these are not so clean to set up. Governments are going to need to start paying more attention to the commissioning process apparently. -------- "Meta said that it's supporting its general contractor, Fortis, which stopped discharging a…

> began hauling wastewater offsite

They towed it outside the environment.

Re: Meta data center water discharges suspended for contaminating water supply

#60

[fnord]

Nobody is "missing" anything. There are migrations to the cloud, but AI growth is on top of that.

AI computing capacity is doubling every seven months. https://epoch.ai/data-insights/ai-chip-production.

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