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Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
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Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#52I don't understand the people who have the patience to listen to Zitron. It's all one-tone takes with no place for nuance, you kind of know what he's going to say and the fact the mixes genuine criticism with bad faith arguments doesn't help.
I find his way of talking funny and entertaining. I can't say why, but it's a nice way to waste a few minutes. It's very boring if you're only there for the information.
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#53Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Things can be fixed, or at least improved to reduce the human cost associated with what's essentially a governance choice. So you think there's a way to outlaw possible malinvestment?
You think there isn't? Or in fact that this is all that's happening, _possible malinvestment_? Neolibs have the most rigid, binary and least creative minds I've ever encountered...
> Or in fact that this is all that's happening, _possible malinvestment_?
Speaking of rigid and binary thinking: do you think there's absolutely no value to LLMs and that every investment in them is malinvestment?
> Neolibs have the most rigid, binary and least creative minds I've ever encountered...
If it's so simple, why don't you explain how The Government is going to prevent private individuals and enterprises from investing in things that some people (who may or not be right) believe are worthless?
Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't understand the people who have the patience to listen to Zitron. It's all one-tone takes with no place for nuance... But that's why some people give him the time of day. A lot of people prefer to see things in black and white because it's easier on the brain. Basically, Ed is doing the easy part (pointing out the malinvestment) and not addressing the harder part, which is to predict what comes next in reali…
> A lot of people prefer to see things in black and white because it's easier on the brain. people also tend to sheild their sacred cows with gestures toward nuance. maybe i'm misreading you, but it sounds like your criticism of him is he has correctly identified a problem and is reporting on it, but he hasn't taken the next step of predicting the next twenty years of consequences. sounds to me like a reporter doing…
A reporter doing his job well (in this context) would understand that using non-cash accounting events to make hyperbolic posts about cash burn is simply not honest.
I don't have a problem with skepticism around AI investments (I agree with a lot of the skepticism) but if you're going to make public arguments about these investments, you should have a grasp of basic accounting principles.
Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't understand the people who have the patience to listen to Zitron. It's all one-tone takes with no place for nuance... But that's why some people give him the time of day. A lot of people prefer to see things in black and white because it's easier on the brain. Basically, Ed is doing the easy part (pointing out the malinvestment) and not addressing the harder part, which is to predict what comes next in reali…
> and a couple decades on, immense wealth has been created For whom? "Everyone". Maybe we can quote some "Everyone is better off now/the global standard of living has increased bullshit". Have you tried to get a job that pays enough to buy the average house in your area?
I don't know why you're conflating the issue of income and wealth inequality with the fact that investments in "the internet" (and all the associated hardware and infrastructure) proved to be some of the best investments in history. And not because of monetary policy, financial engineering, and the like, but because the internet proved to be a civilization-changing technology.
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#57Zitron is recently a very effective HN comment trigger
Guaranteed defensive replies, usually personal attacks, HN commenters cannot seem to ignore him
He must be on to something
Big Tech is a slave to the dynamics of attention and popularity. They monitor these dynamics in real-time
Perhaps Zitron is getting more attention and becoming more popular
He was recently on Bloomberg and now CNBC
Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and a couple decades on, immense wealth has been created For whom? "Everyone". Maybe we can quote some "Everyone is better off now/the global standard of living has increased bullshit". Have you tried to get a job that pays enough to buy the average house in your area?
I don't know why you're conflating the issue of income and wealth inequality with the fact that investments in "the internet" (and all the associated hardware and infrastructure) proved to be some of the best investments in history. And not because of monetary policy, financial engineering, and the like, but because the internet proved to be a civilization-changing technology.
I'm failing to understand how you are failing to understand. Can you try and explain that again?
Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#59Anyone can explain why this was flagged?
Because of the comments here that turned into an ideological battle, and that Zitron is a talking head who makes hyperbolic statements within his sometimes valid points. He's playing for a particular crowd, not doing good journalism and reporting. See how his statements created ideologically based comments here? We'd prefer better discourse on HN.
Re: Ed Zitron on CNBC: GenAI Doesn't Work, and Big Tech Is Out of Hypergrowth Ideas
#60Anyone can explain why this was flagged?
Because of the comments here that turned into an ideological battle, and that Zitron is a talking head who makes hyperbolic statements within his sometimes valid points. He's playing for a particular crowd, not doing good journalism and reporting. See how his statements created ideologically based comments here? We'd prefer better discourse on HN.
For the record I can’t wait for the “ideologically based” comments after this trillion dollar Jenga tower comes crashing down. This place will be censored to shit of course. But that won’t stop people like me from rubbing it in.
You know being a Ycombinator proxy, you would think you guys could take a little bit of shit. You certainly don’t hesitate to shove ai down the throat of everyone, without consent obtained.