Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?
Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle
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Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle
#52While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applic…
a) it doesn't actually happen that often b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus picking up or discharging an entire team on a right side curb, or a divided median) albeit legally mandated. c) School bus drivers already radio in plate numbers of anyone who does it in poor taste and the buses mostly already have dashcams so this isn't really…
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
But those people don't even have the option, so what do you mean they prefer to not walk/bike? How pleasant walking/biking will be is linked to density, reduced distance to amenities, and infrastructure, things almost no US cities have. I live blocks from Costco in one of those cities but the option is either get on my bike and share the four-lane road with aggressive drivers in massive trucks/SUVs or use a tiny side…
Wait until you try putting a Costco-sized bulk package of something on a bike.
Replace Costco with "some place I like to go" if that is less distracting.
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#54The existence of a license plate indicates that motor vehicle travel is not intended to be untrackable. That makes sense since these are powerful devices. It seems like a fair trade off since a motor vehicle provides many benefits but also high risk.
Why stop at tracking license plates? Once you've started you should report on pedestrians, bikes, whether people are at-home, which building people are entering, the way they walk and many more. Those are all "alternative revenue streams" that are as valid from the operator/investor point of view and completely unrelated to whether the way of transportation or activity is meant to be untrackable or unrelated to a way…
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#55The existence of a license plate indicates that motor vehicle travel is not intended to be untrackable. That makes sense since these are powerful devices. It seems like a fair trade off since a motor vehicle provides many benefits but also high risk.
This is a fair trade off, because…
By your logic, there can be no argument against universal web tracking, let alone universal purchase tracking, etc.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who'd have thought a bus company would run buses for the various applications that buses are used for.
That point-of-view doesn't soothe anyone alarmed by expansion of warrantless law enforcement surveillance.
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#57Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?
It’s not really possible to build a large city where everyone gets to live close enough to their job and their kids’ schools and the stores they need to go to, unless everyone is moving their house every time they want to change jobs.
The best we could do is robust public transportation. Whenever I hear calls to make everything walkable I can only assume the person hasn’t thought about all the people with kids, or who do work that can’t be done remotely, or who don’t want to move for every job, or who can’t afford to live in the nicest parts of town, or who live in places where winter weather would turn a 20 minute walk into a 1 hour hike, or who are too old or injured to be walking long distances, or all of the other reasons people drive cars. Maybe if you’re young, have no kids, and work a high paying job that lets you live wherever you want these ideas seem obvious, but some form of transportation, public or private, is a basic necessity for the rest of the world.
Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle
#58While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applic…
> how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? As a parent with children who take the bus... this actually doesn't matter. You can't assume that the car's owner is passing the school bus. So, this is a case of finding someone guilty with no physical evidence. And the real fear there is that suddenly you are guilty because someone else was using your Wi…
Huh? As a parent with kids who take the bus, people ignoring the flashing lights on buses absolutely does matter.
> this is a case of finding someone guilty with no physical evidence.
Bus drivers call the cops on the cars who do this already. What evidence do they have, other than the license plate?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you going to buy at Costco that you can carry home on a bike? In other words, if you want to bike to get your groceries, Costco is the wrong choice.
It's not relevant. If the word Costco is too distracting to interact with my point, then replace it with any place you might want to go in a day. The lack of infrastructure is what makes the routine unpleasant, not failing to carry a small bag of bagels home. Not even the weather since riding a bike casually creates a breeze.
A place like Costco can only exist with the support of a large amount of car infrastructure. So if you want to go there that's what you have to deal with.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> in the US most places are not a city Most people in the US live in urban areas. Most US citizens live in cities. The urban population of the US is about 80% of the population. I do agree most students in the US arrive by bus or car, but that's not because most US citizens live on farms off country highways.
That does not make what I said not relevant. People are spread out across the country and kids in rural areas are just as valuable as kids in cities. I would never trust anyone that says otherwise. Also most of the land is not walkable in any realistic sense. Busses and cars are not likely going away for the duration of this short civilization. We will hit the great filter long before better options may have arrived.
> kids in rural areas are just as valuable as kids in cities
I never said otherwise. I'm just pointing out its misleading to act like most of the US population live in rural areas.
> Busses and cars are not likely going away for the duration of this short civilization
The majority of this short civilization existed without busses and cars being a requirement. Seems strange it can't possibly exist without them now, or at least a significantly reduced societal need on them to have a basic functional existence for a decent chunk of the society.