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Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

xienze wrote: post #28
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not how one attributes principal causation among multiple potential causes. > at t=0 you have at least 2, maybe 3 housing units required for the same number of people Plenty of families immigrate. And at least in America, immigrant households seem to be denser than native-born ones. You’re assuming immigrant households are smaller than average, which would indeed be surprising unless they’re all quite wealthy…

> And at least in America, immigrant households seem to be denser than native-born ones. Answer true or false. One couple+one child requires less housing (in the short-to-medium term) than one couple+one immigrant.

> One couple+one child requires less housing (in the short-to-medium term) than one couple+one immigrant

If two couples and two children take up one unit of housing while providing three units of labour, that’s more space efficient than the one couple + one child if even both parents work.

This sort of napkin math doesn’t work for these problems. Particularly when we’re essentially debating elasticity with respect to demand versus supply.

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by general1465 »

drnick1 wrote: post #20
felooboolooomba wrote: post #14

> European policy debates often become Americanized because of the American domination of social media. No it doesn't. And America doesn't dominate social media in Europe, except repeated administration scandals, paedofiles and history's largest pedo ring cover-up.

Lol, Europeans are quick to adopt all the worst things from America related to tech, including social media, streaming services, proprietary software, iPhones, and random IoT garbage.

Chinese adopted them too, so what is the differece?

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by orwin »

drnick1 wrote: post #25
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> until public policy shifted towards papering over population decline with mass migration Do you have a source showing price increases correlate with migration? (The article seems to show a timing relationship between zoning and prices.)

You can see it in the Japanese data. Japan is more or less closed to immigrants, is experiencing a (for now) slow population decline, and house prices are plummeting.

Japanese data shows the opposite, unless you think they weren't a closed country in the 80s. In fact, Japan has been my counterpoint to anybody claiming the housing crisis was caused by immigration.

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by felooboolooomba »

constantius wrote: post #49
felooboolooomba wrote: post #14

> European policy debates often become Americanized because of the American domination of social media. No it doesn't. And America doesn't dominate social media in Europe, except repeated administration scandals, paedofiles and history's largest pedo ring cover-up.

America does dominate social media in Europe. Most Europeans probably know more American politicians than they do their own, and have opinions about every American event. During US elections it's impossible to talk to anyone without their starting to opine about things they have no control over within a minute. American culture wars are polarising societies that share nothing with the American one. The last thing Eur…

> American culture wars are polarising societies that share nothing with the American one.

True, but that's because of considerable joint effort headed by the likes of Thiel, Musk, Bannon, ...

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by watwut »

elzbardico wrote: post #42
yladiz wrote: post #17

Am I understanding that the solution proposed in the article is to allow more dense building in suburbs/outskirts of cities in Europe? This doesn't solve the actual problem that many European cities face, which is a housing shortage in the actual city center, where people want to live; there's generally not that much a lack of housing the further you get outside of a major city center in Europe, and people don't want…

Most people in HN fail to understand that the vast majority of people don't want to live in incredibly dense city centers. Not everyone is a young single professional without kids. This doesn't mean that everyone wants to live in a single family house in a suburb, but also not everyone wants to live in a highrise in a packed city center that looks like hong kong.

Families want to live in dense centers or close to them. The parents who can afford it actually like being close to schools, to their work, to where after school programs are.

The city centers are the most expensive, because vast majority wants to live there. Further away is less expensive and even mode further away is even more expensive.

Most if not all european city centers are no dystopia. They are perfectly compatible with having familly.

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by thewileyone »

constantius wrote: post #49
felooboolooomba wrote: post #14

> European policy debates often become Americanized because of the American domination of social media. No it doesn't. And America doesn't dominate social media in Europe, except repeated administration scandals, paedofiles and history's largest pedo ring cover-up.

America does dominate social media in Europe. Most Europeans probably know more American politicians than they do their own, and have opinions about every American event. During US elections it's impossible to talk to anyone without their starting to opine about things they have no control over within a minute. American culture wars are polarising societies that share nothing with the American one. The last thing Eur…

It like watching car crash videos ... It's hard to look away ...

Re: Should European housing politics be Americanized?

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Post by constantius »

felooboolooomba wrote: post #54
constantius wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America does dominate social media in Europe. Most Europeans probably know more American politicians than they do their own, and have opinions about every American event. During US elections it's impossible to talk to anyone without their starting to opine about things they have no control over within a minute. American culture wars are polarising societies that share nothing with the American one. The last thing Eur…

> American culture wars are polarising societies that share nothing with the American one. True, but that's because of considerable joint effort headed by the likes of Thiel, Musk, Bannon, ...

I think American culture wars would be a great meme (in the original sense of viral ideas) without any billionaires or politicians pushing it, simply because they are perfectly marketable, appeal to our desire for outrage, and can be weaponised to their advantage by attention/power-hungry parts of the population.
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