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A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by thot_experiment »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7
thot_experiment wrote: post #3

No actual human fucking wants data centers. Every day I wake up and it feels we're moving closer to torches, pitchforks and guillotines.

> Every day I wake up and it feels we're moving closer to torches, pitchforks and guillotines The billionaires who are consolidating control over the media and social media would want nothing more.

Billionaires are providing much less value than we would have if random kids who lost the birth lottery were empowered to reach their potential to help society. We should not allow them to exist.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by sandcat_ »

helterskelter wrote: post #19
_russross wrote: post #18

I don't have a problem with data centers and would welcome one nearby if it was a good deal for the area. But I'd want binding contractual agreements about environmental guarantees and requirements for building out new renewable energy generating capacity of 100% or even 150% of what the data center itself needs (and not just outbidding buyers of existing grid capacity). Instead we are handing out regulation waivers…

Problem is that there's always some poorer community, or one with more corrupt government officials, willing to allow a buildout for next to nothing. And when they plug into the grid the next county or state over you're electric rates are going up anyway.

Eh, this is a bit fatalist. Every bit of pushback is a tax. If a company applies to build in X location but is threatening to move to Y location where it's cheaper, or they can get away with something, there's obviously a reason they'd prefer X. They wouldn't be arguing otherwise. So if they are "forced" to move to Y, that's a tax.

See also: working at unethical tech firms, fears over the rich leaving NYC, etc.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by watwut »

alex0015 wrote: post #45
watwut wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per polls, ai is pretty hated. And the distaste is growing with growing use. A lot of ai usage is forced and unwanted. People dont perceive it as source of greatness, but as source of slop, cheap low quality and enshittification and crutially, existential threat.

Sure, people might not like AI by some narrow definition or choose not to use it themselves. But roughly every single service they consume or interact with is downstream of AI at some level now. The demand isn't just for chatbot usage and hasn't been for a long time.

That does not make ai "extremely popular". Instead, it is source of anger. That is what I called "forced to use AI".

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by rekabis »

cranky908canuck wrote: post #21
psidebot wrote: post #16

The article definitely misrepresents what's in the video. He wasn't arrested for speaking 5 seconds over. He was standing right in front of the councilors shuffling papers back and forth for nearly a minute while the crowd was screaming and clapping. Officers asked him to leave, then told him to leave multiple times he categorically refused, all while public order was progressively deteriorating.

If you google "farmer name activist" the results light up like a christmas tree. (Where the actual name is substituted in, of course.) Regardless of the merits of the actual issue being protested, presenting this as "poor innocent farmer arrested for going five seconds over" doesn't seem accurate. I previously observed that of course getting arrested wasn't something he would have planned... OTOH, given that this is…

Square brackets more clearly indicate that the word is both placeholder and a description of the kind of placeholder in question:

> If you google "farmer [name] activist"

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by victorbjorklund »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #49
victorbjorklund wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of like having access to internet.

Which you have without this data center being built.

Oh I’m sure. But the comment I replied to talked about data centers in general not a particular data center. In general I like the internet. I assume you too in general like the existence of the internet.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by helterskelter »

sandcat_ wrote: post #52
helterskelter wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is that there's always some poorer community, or one with more corrupt government officials, willing to allow a buildout for next to nothing. And when they plug into the grid the next county or state over you're electric rates are going up anyway.

Eh, this is a bit fatalist. Every bit of pushback is a tax. If a company applies to build in X location but is threatening to move to Y location where it's cheaper, or they can get away with something, there's obviously a reason they'd prefer X. They wouldn't be arguing otherwise. So if they are "forced" to move to Y, that's a tax. See also: working at unethical tech firms, fears over the rich leaving NYC, etc.

Depends on what X is worth to them and how badly Y may want that data center. X may have better infrastructure, but Y is offering to build theirs out and waive taxes for ten years, so X has less room to negotiate.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by Haven880 »

I have been to China for years. I can guarantee you this wouldn't happen in China. You have to have violence initiated to get arrested there. And yes, they do have limited protest (though not for LGBTQ reasons). Sounds very much America is the real CCP. The myth of freedom of speech. Myth.The land of the brave and free is for the super rich. The rest aren't any better than China.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by davkan »

_russross wrote: post #18

I don't have a problem with data centers and would welcome one nearby if it was a good deal for the area. But I'd want binding contractual agreements about environmental guarantees and requirements for building out new renewable energy generating capacity of 100% or even 150% of what the data center itself needs (and not just outbidding buyers of existing grid capacity). Instead we are handing out regulation waivers…

When would it ever be a good deal for the area?

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by davkan »

bvcp wrote: post #27
thot_experiment wrote: post #3

No actual human fucking wants data centers. Every day I wake up and it feels we're moving closer to torches, pitchforks and guillotines.

Apart from water usage which can be solved by using recycled water or closed loop cooling i fail to see what all the hysteria is over. Communities dont own power production and if usage causes costs to increase then investment in more production will follow. The level of vitriol i see in all countries over data centers is looking more and more as a proxy against ai. You can really see how a terrawatt of ai compute in…

They’re almost universally bad for communities so constituents don’t want their councils to approve them?. It’s as simple as that.

Your town gets worse basically forever so the rich can get richer. Queue “hysteria”.

Re: A Farmer Arrested for Going 5 Seconds over His Time Limit at Data Center Meeting

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Post by davkan »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #55
hdgvhicv wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which you have without this data center being built.

Oh I’m sure. But the comment I replied to talked about data centers in general not a particular data center. In general I like the internet. I assume you too in general like the existence of the internet.

The network infrastructure of the Internet barely takes more space than POTS did. And as for what’s on that network and actually using most of the datacenters, I personally don’t care for the Internet as it is today when compared against what we had 10, 20 years ago with significantly datacenters.
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