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The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by vkou »

warumdarum wrote: post #50
et-al wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. 77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

Imagine how criminal neglectful and how intentionally harmful the alternative has to be to not be chosen. Something that just smeared surplus over all the problems and called that a solution, basically unfit for good times but completely useless in a multi crisis.

Or maybe people didn't do a deep dive of the consequences of putting a crook and his cabal of idiots in charge of the country, and just... Voted with their gut against the incumbent, because they didn't like the economic consequences of 2020-2021 COVID inflation coming home to roost?

(Weird how they all forgot who was in charge in 2020, who fired up the printing presses and who handed out money like it was on fire...)

I sincerely hope they are enjoying the economic consequences of this year's Iranian adventures. They deserve to savor every penny of their >$150 tank fill-up.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by warumdarum »

leonidasrup wrote: post #49
KennyBlanken wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flooding the zone is definitely part of it, but the general goal seems to be to systematically destroy every strength the US has (had, in many cases.) Not only did the Iran War rapidly accelerate Chinese EV and solar panel sales - we're literally running out of bombs and missiles because so many were wasted on the first round of attacks in the middle east, then the "let's blow up fishing boats with million dollar mis…

This is just a side effect of US companies outsourcing manufacturing to China for quick profit and as result US becoming dependent on China (and US becoming service/finance economy with ever increasing debt). This process has been going on for decades. Iran War is not first example of sucessfull defense of a small country (with foreign military aid) against US. See the Korea, Vietnam war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

Korea war was basically a rwo empire war. First the industrial remnants of the japan mic vs the south, then the us vs china.

The idea was that contracts between states are worthless, but physical dependencies are actually at least temporary binding contracts. Its like with NATO, you dont trust the paper, you place units of all signers in the path of danger of the agressor and thus reduce the risk of partners chickening out.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by IncreasePosts »

galleywest200 wrote: post #3

> According to The Washington Post, the internal policy states “Interior shall not confirm a death,” and that this policy applies to “all Interior bureaus and offices” plus “all Interior communications involving fatalities, suspected fatalities, serious injuries or emotionally sensitive incidents.” So now I cannot learn about known bear attacks when I plan a backpacking trip?

If you're hiking into brown bear country just take a 10mm and some bear spray, regardless of whether there have been any recent attacks or not

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by warumdarum »

vkou wrote: post #51
warumdarum wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine how criminal neglectful and how intentionally harmful the alternative has to be to not be chosen. Something that just smeared surplus over all the problems and called that a solution, basically unfit for good times but completely useless in a multi crisis.

Or maybe people didn't do a deep dive of the consequences of putting a crook and his cabal of idiots in charge of the country, and just... Voted with their gut against the incumbent, because they didn't like the economic consequences of 2020-2021 COVID inflation coming home to roost? (Weird how they all forgot who was in charge in 2020, who fired up the printing presses and who handed out money like it was on fire...…

People chose a tribalist warchieftain because realities at the downlow where already unsustainable after50 years of attrition warfare and the solution by the predecessors was to declare the problems non existant. Even worse they openly displayed the incompetence by declaring all problems as social ones.

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Post by watwut »

et-al wrote: post #45
krapp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing? They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. 77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

They see and like it. It is what it is.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by nephihaha »

Ironically National Park deaths in the USA have been getting a lot of publicity over the last few years, thanks to David Paulides' "The Missing 411". For various reasons, I strongly disagree with Paulides – it is very easy to get lost in wilderness, and very easy for a body to be missed in thick brush – but it's clearly enough of an issue for Paulides to trade off.

Deliberately hiding info like this is only going to add fuel to the fire. I wonder if the National Parks were concerned they would scare paying visitors off if they knew how many accidents and bear attacks there were.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

sagarm wrote: post #39
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #25

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You mean like > 10 == take bear spray, > 20 == cancel the trip? Because how do you even come up with that formula? Is it a per-capita number or total? Also: How many people killed by falling coconuts would cause you to cancel a Hawaiian vacation?

How many people die climbing half dome? Do the deaths tend to happen I only inclement weather? Do you realize how divorced from reality you people sound?

Why are you directing this at me? I couldn't care less about people dying climbing half-dome. It seems like one of the better ways to go.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by trick-or-treat »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #26
collingreen wrote: post #22

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Unfortunately this simple answer makes more sense than random acts of villainy.

These are the same people who said that if you stop testing for COVID, it won't be a problem any more

And yet... they're no longer testing and it doesn't seem to be a problem anymore, lol.

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by specialist »

et-al wrote: post #45
krapp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing? They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. 77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

I've been binging Sarah Longwell's (of The Bulwark) Focus Group episodes. She shares quotes from participants. Typical average low information, low engagement voters.

So depressing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_iob2pnFk&list=PLJNKzTkCZE...

I've long grudgingly accepted premise of Democracy for Realists. Yet my expectations remained stubbornly, inappropriately too optimistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theory_of_democracy

https://archive.org/details/democracyforreal0000ache

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The silver lining may be that "hopelessly confused voters" is better than hyperpartisanship. Longwell uses the term "heterodoxy".

Re: The National Parks Were Reportedly Told to Stay Silent on Deaths

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Post by arjie »

bix6 wrote: post #15
jandrewrogers wrote: post #11

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If you are going into an area with bears, you should be prepared for bears. Appropriate behavior isn't conditional on someone dying recently. The risks in an area are widely published and posted by the National Park Service. This is basic safety. It is common to see people in National Parks flagrantly ignore the many warnings. Honestly, I am surprised it is only 350 deaths per year.

If there is heightened animal activity in an area it helps to know, especially if they are aggressive. We adjust where we go to avoid especially dangerous situations.

But aggressive animal presence is indicated by incident frequency not fatality frequency. It would seem that you still have access to the former.
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