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The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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What if people do but not in enough numbers? Farewell, sweet country!

If the country doesn't have enough people to defend it, perhaps it's good and just that some other community gets to control the territory? A country isn't really anything except for its people, after all.

The occupying power may be interested in your country's resources rather than its people.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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In peacetimes, yes, but if it's defensive war I don't see many arguments against a draft, it can't be generalized though.

States have a legitimate right to taxation. Taxes can be used to pay volunteers. While there are still people owning wealth above the poverty level, there is no excuse to force people into military slavery. And even if literally everybody has been taxed into poverty, there are more ethical alternatives than slavery, e.g. tying the right to vote to military service like in Starship Troopers. Freedom from slavery is extremely high on the scale of ethical importance, even more important than democracy.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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Ocarinas have the great advantage over recorders that you can safely play them without hearing protection. I have personally measured the loud notes on both a soprano recorder and an alto recorder and the SPL meter measured over 100dB(A) at the ear (indoors, so this includes reverberation too, but most recorders are played indoors). Note that standard recorder fingering allows for almost no control over dynamics; each note has a single set volume that it must be played at to sound in tune. (Advanced technique allows slight control over dynamics with alternative fingerings.) For this reason I do not think recorders should be used in schools.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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> It is called forced labour or slavery. In war, people who tolerate military conscription and discipline will conquer those who're slaves to pigheaded "you're not the boss of ME!" individualism. It'd be nice if humans would voluntarily abandon war someday. But a corollary of the First Commandment is to face facts.

> In war, people who tolerate military conscription and discipline will conquer those who're slaves to pigheaded "you're not the boss of ME!" individualism. Sure, right up until it leads to fragging. During the Vietnam War about a thousand superiors were killed by their subjects. You can't give someone weapons, try to force them into a suicidal mission, and not expect them to use it to stop the mission. Give someone…

Yes, that's an edge case — my comment to which you responded was not meant as a complete statement of Reality.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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In peacetimes, yes, but if it's defensive war I don't see many arguments against a draft, it can't be generalized though.

If there's anything worth defending, people will volunteer to defend it.

> If there's anything worth defending, people will volunteer to defend it.

That's a pretty binary view of the situation. It's not enough for something to be worth defending: People have to recognize that it's worth defending — and that might not happen instantaneously, because "people" come to appreciate things at very different rates.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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If the country doesn't have enough people to defend it, perhaps it's good and just that some other community gets to control the territory? A country isn't really anything except for its people, after all.

The occupying power may be interested in your country's resources rather than its people.

How does that change matters? If anything that makes it even worse. If not enough of your people can't be bothered to join the military even when an enemy army is invading, perhaps the country in question should draw the conclusion it's not viable as an independent nation.

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The occupying power may be interested in your country's resources rather than its people.

How does that change matters? If anything that makes it even worse. If not enough of your people can't be bothered to join the military even when an enemy army is invading, perhaps the country in question should draw the conclusion it's not viable as an independent nation.

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Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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Carter? "Yes sir?" What is it, Carter? "An ocarina, sir" Bring it up here! I've had a really nice, small "English four-hole" unglazed terracotta pendant ocarina since I was a kid. They are actually really fun to play and very visceral, in a sense; the way you can get a chromatic scale from only four hole sizes combinatorially is intellectually satisfying and weirdly easy to learn. It came with some sheet music that s…

I understand the intellectual satisfaction you're talking about. Now I'm wondering if we can push the minimalism to using these four holes with only two fingers. It seems doable from the diagram you link, using link fingers, and assuming half holes can be covered from the left side, and two holes can be covered with one finger at the same time. Would that work, or does the physicality of the instrument prevent that ?

Hi, Ocarina maker here! This is a genuinely interesting idea, and some Ocarina like the Goslings do have a double keying with a single finger.

Sadly with English Vessel Flutes (4/6/8 holes) the holes need to all be roughly equidistant from the center of the chamber, which makes a two finger setup ergonomically complicated while keeping a tangential fipple. It is also very desirable to use the pads of the fingers to cover the holes, making a good air seal is tricky with the middle of the finger. On ergonomics, it is also worth mentioning some Ocs get quite big as well! My largest 6 hole is almost 300mm wide, my fingers are not quite long enough to span this...

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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Interesting that they don't seem to have had much cultural impact. I've never heard of these, never seen them in war films. You don't hear songs wistfully using a wartime ocarina or referring to them.

Does this explain why all the kids in the States got recorders after the war? It's still a thing in 4th grade for most kids in public school.

It is actually a Nazi thing. (Not kidding.)

https://duckduckgo.com/q=recorder+instrument+nazi

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/true-or-not/2025/02/19/quick...

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