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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by ignoramous »

petesergeant wrote: post #9

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> is a reach

  Israel's targeting of neonatal and maternity care centres during its war on Gaza directly endangered Palestinians' reproductive future and the survival of newborns – driving a rise in miscarriages, birth defects, and lasting vulnerabilities.

  Israel's aid blockade in Gaza last year also took a severe toll on Palestinian children, causing starvation-related deaths and a rise in disease as immunisation rates fell.

  Palestinian children have been arrested and subjected to torture in Israeli prisons and other severe forms of mistreatment, including sexual abuse.

  Israeli forces have destroyed orphanages and education facilities in the occupied West Bank, which has affected Palestinian children's cognitive, social and emotional care and development.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by cindyllm »

aa-jv wrote: post #49
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #42

The USA, the most powerful nation the world has ever see, is powerless to do anything about it. If the US can't do anything about it, what hope is there for the underfunded UN?

The USA won't do anything about it because the USA is also guilty of heinous war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale - in fact, it is the worst criminal on the world stage when it comes to un-prosecuted war crimes... so Israel facing justice will only mean that the USA will face the same justice, and we all know that there is nothing more heinous in all the world to an Amer…

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by cicko »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #44
throw310822 wrote: post #37

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> Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. Not sure it's the same thing. Russians want political and territorial control in Ukraine, not expelling Ukrainians to resettle the place with "ethnic Russians". Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem) to replace the native population with its own. There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewi…

Well russians over the history resettled the native population numerous times, even resettle russians there. But the truth is they mostly want control for whatever reason they made up. Part of their propaganda is thet Ukrainians are basically confused russians so you got the point here. But I wouldn't be sure about your claim regarding Israel. Even now there are millions of Palestinians with Israel citizenship. I und…

Those Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are no longer allowed into Israel. That's my understanding after watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmE-WiC4eA

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

throw310822 wrote: post #40
Protostome wrote: post #18

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How do you place millions of people in bomb shelters when your neighbour of a few kms away bombs you any time it wants from fighter jets? Have you not seen the footage of bombs dropped with no warnings in the middle of the streets, on residential buildings, on schools, on hospitals? Israelis have bomb shelters because have ample warning and an enemy that is barely able to hit anything. This blaming the victims of you…

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

n4r9 wrote: post #33
Protostome wrote: post #18

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There is a severe lack of construction materials in Gaza. My guess is that Hamas has a choice between using what's left for tunnels, or losing the war.

That's a slight mix of cause and effect. There is a shortage of construction material because Hamas uses it not for the wellbeing of the citizens of Gaza, but for the construction of border crossing tunnels into Israel.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

eagleal wrote: post #38
Protostome wrote: post #18

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> Firing from schools, hospitals and resendential buildings. I really don't want to descend into countless counterexamples, but that's how virtually every military or militia wages war, including the IDF. I assume your confusion on this issue may be due to a lack of familiarity with the subject. Usually never ever has anything to do with malevolence (eg. in an attempt to use the counter strike as a propaganda story).…

Are you saying that every militia and army use hospitals as a base from which to wage war? (e.g. firing rockets, artillery shells, etc)

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

n4r9 wrote: post #35
Protostome wrote: post #26

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the UN claimed that the UN agency was just fine... no s**.

The ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?

"The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)"

"The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms"

Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days.

If the UN general assembly (mostly anti israel) selects the judges how is it "structurally independent of the UN"?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by throw310822 »

Protostome wrote: post #54
throw310822 wrote: post #40

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How do you place millions of people in bomb shelters when your neighbour of a few kms away bombs you any time it wants from fighter jets? Have you not seen the footage of bombs dropped with no warnings in the middle of the streets, on residential buildings, on schools, on hospitals? Israelis have bomb shelters because have ample warning and an enemy that is barely able to hit anything. This blaming the victims of you…

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"Israeli authorities and security forces deliberately targeted Palestinian children, resulting in genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza, and war crimes in the occupied West Bank, an independent U.N. inquiry said on Tuesday."

Literally the first paragraph of the article we're commenting.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by spwa4 »

isgb wrote: post #48
utirrjrk wrote: post #11

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Many countries have strict laws how to deal with genocide, genocide support, and genocide deniers! So just enforce local laws, report supporters of genocide to police.

Pro-tip (observe what the UK does closely): Don't call it a genocide and then you don't need to do anything about it.

Indeed. It has to be a particular kind of recognized genocide, and then people just don't agree on what is and isn't a genocide. Turkey is the worst offender there, but it's quite a widespread problem.

And, of course, the problem is people don't agree. Turkey refuses to accept many of it's actions as genocidal (because that's how Turkey was created: when the last islamic state ("the Ottoman empire") got destroyed by Turks (who at that point were the ottoman army), they massacred a LOT of population groups, famously the Armenians but academics name more than a dozen separate genocides: Greeks, Kurds, Azeri, Jews, ...)

Oh and of course they kept doing it. Technically what Turkey did in Cyprus is also a genocide, and they have an active policy of replacing Kurd population groups but that's, if that's even possible, an even worse sore point.

The sad fact is that these genocides happened to gain territory. And, most of that territory, go look at Google Maps. This was mostly deep inland Turkey. And ... Turks obviously don't want it. There's no big cities there, and the more east you go, the less little towns, the less people, the less everything (except on the border). After the genocides what was a European landscape, a village every 5km or so is now empty. Hundreds of kilometers of nothing. Names on a map , with nothing or ruins below them. You don't really need a line to find the Armenian or Georgian border: where the farms begin, the rectangular fields, the villages, you've crossed the Turkish border. In other words: what repopulation the Turks did ... is a failure. And what little remains, mostly near the black sea, is losing young people at an astonishing rate. This is huge empty space, mostly ecologically destroyed land, not productive farmland. Not nature preserves. Nothing.

Also the reverse also doesn't apply. The UN may have trouble with Israeli actions, but where the UN took control to resolve the situation, where the UN took action, most famously southern Lebanon, it has not just failed but it systematically kept getting worse for 50+ years now. Whereas at least for Israel you can say: look at Tel Aviv. Look at Jerusalem. Look at Haifa. They really built something. Where the UN "helped" ... there's nothing.

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