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Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by marcus_holmes »

farnsworthfusor wrote: post #42
bigiain wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps consider putting it in public domain instead of using an "open source" license? There's a decent legal ethical argument that LLM output isn't copyrightable, and for me a "one shot vibe code" definitely _isn't_ "your creative work", so the copyright that open source licenses rely on probably doesn't exist there. I wonder if a new category of "non copyrighted shared source code" needs to exist for people who us…

If LLM output isn't copyrightable then it's already public domain, even if you say it isn't - if this is true you can just ignore the wishes of the person who thinks they're the copyright holder.

this. The whole licensing of software stands on copyright. If the content is already in the public domain because it was generated by an LLM (copyright only protects human works) then it can't be licensed.

However, there's no compunction to publish the generated code, even if it's public domain.

We end up in a strange nega-OSS world where all code can be used by anyone for any reason, if you can get your hands on it.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by marcus_holmes »

cedws wrote: post #17
globular-toast wrote: post #2

I'm considering the same thing. I've done the "contact your MP" thing, but it's a waste of time. You just receive a pre-written letter from some minimum wage assistant (or maybe just a bot). It's either that or I just consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to…

It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. I signed the petition to reverse the OSA and all we got was a canned response. I’ve come to the conclusion the only thing you can really do is leave when you disagree with the direction of your country, but of course not everyone has the ability to do that.

This is what protest is for/about.

If enough people feel strongly about it to go onto the street and wave placards, that starts getting noticed and has to be acknowledged.

Of course, the UK (and others) have started making protests illegal, because they are doing things that we should feel strongly enough about to go and wave placards at them.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by marcus_holmes »

lokar wrote: post #50
nozzlegear wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. That often is democracy: what's popular isn't always what's best.

I find that many comments on this subject here don’t seem to consider that a majority (perhaps a large majority) of citizens in their nation support these policies

Because they don't understand the technology or the consequences.

When they do, they will change their mind (and probably protest loudly that they never wanted it in the first place).

See Brexit for a clear example.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by zugi »

nozzlegear wrote: post #33
cedws wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. I signed the petition to reverse the OSA and all we got was a canned response. I’ve come to the conclusion the only thing you can really do is leave when you disagree with the direction of your country, but of course not everyone has the ability to do that.

> It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. That often is democracy: what's popular isn't always what's best.

That's why democracy shouldn't be worshipped as the end-all be-all key to good government or good society. Or as Churchill put it, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

Freedom and liberty should be the foundations of a healthy society. Democracy should be reserved only for those things that must be decided collectively and universally enforced.

What kids do on their phones doesn't even come close. Let parents and vendors decide what their kids and customers can do. I've met plenty of well-adjusted kids who aren't on social media because their parents don't let them.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by bigiain »

Retr0id wrote: post #47
bigiain wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps consider putting it in public domain instead of using an "open source" license? There's a decent legal ethical argument that LLM output isn't copyrightable, and for me a "one shot vibe code" definitely _isn't_ "your creative work", so the copyright that open source licenses rely on probably doesn't exist there. I wonder if a new category of "non copyrighted shared source code" needs to exist for people who us…

I don't believe in copyright, personally.

Whether you believe that copyright _should_ exist is quite different from whether it _actually_ exists and whether there are consequences due to the existence of copyright.

All "open source" licenses rely on copyright. If copyright did not exist, GPL and BSD and MIT (and all the other software license options, open and commercial) would be unenforceable.

(I'm less convinced that you seem to be about whether there arte any good reasons for copyright. I believe real "creative people" like authors and musicians and artists and film makers _should_ have a legally enforceable monopoly to control use of and to generate income from their creative work. That shouldn't be "Micky Mouse" effectively eternal control, but there should in my opinion be some legally protected "ownership" that a creator has where they can prevent other people copying/recreating/misusing/profiting from their creation. Whether this should ever have applied to softwares something for a more nuances discussion t6hat a website comment section...)

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by lokar »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #53
lokar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that many comments on this subject here don’t seem to consider that a majority (perhaps a large majority) of citizens in their nation support these policies

Because they don't understand the technology or the consequences. When they do, they will change their mind (and probably protest loudly that they never wanted it in the first place). See Brexit for a clear example.

But the argument I see is that the politicians are acting tyrannically against the desire of the voters.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by h4kunamata »

HDBaseT wrote: post #38
h4kunamata wrote: post #35

Australia isn't different, but homelab is my jam so solutions were implemented :) 1. Nginx Proxmox LXC container with domains that require digital ID such as X. I can easily add or remove domains to it via Ansible. 2. Mullvad VPN server/client setup on OPNSense 3. OPNSense Firewall rules with aliases from the local lists from step 1 4. Every time I access X or whatever, OPNSense firewall rule redirects that traffic v…

>I do not use public DNS such as Google or whatever, in fact, they are all blocked. Honestly surprised that works given Google loves to hardcode DNS queries using their DNS Resolver into many things (Google TV, Android, etc). I'm assuming you are using NAT Redirection (Port 53), blocking DNS over TLS - DoT (TCP Port 853), using SNI FIltering to block DNS Over HTTP (DoH). Not sure how you handle Encrypted Client Hello…

>Honestly surprised that works given Google loves to hardcode DNS queries using their DNS Resolver into many things (Google TV, Android, etc).

My Samsung smartTV has Google DNS hardcoded in it, that is why I do what I do.

No matter if I set my phone DNS to Google, OPNSense NAT redirects any DNS to Piholes only, and since public DNS, DNS-over-TLS and DNS-over-HTTPS are blocked, only Piholes forward it to Unbound. Only Unbound can request DNS and OPNSense enforces that.

Unbound is recursive DNS with is own caching so everything happens localy, surfing the internet is insane fast.

As for the digital ID, the DNS happens locally but the traffic is forward to Mullvad VPN Gateway.

I don't wanna hide my traffic, I just don't wanna this mass survilance on my personal information. My social media accounts are burner, no real name, no photos, minimal apps installed on my GrapheneOS phone and I have a complete normal digital life without sharing my shit haha

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by PeterStuer »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #51
farnsworthfusor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If LLM output isn't copyrightable then it's already public domain, even if you say it isn't - if this is true you can just ignore the wishes of the person who thinks they're the copyright holder.

this. The whole licensing of software stands on copyright. If the content is already in the public domain because it was generated by an LLM (copyright only protects human works) then it can't be licensed. However, there's no compunction to publish the generated code, even if it's public domain. We end up in a strange nega-OSS world where all code can be used by anyone for any reason, if you can get your hands on it.

If you believe this, then this was always the case. LLM's only made it cheaper and more accesible.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by Chu4eeno »

h4kunamata wrote: post #36
h4kunamata wrote: post #35

Australia isn't different, but homelab is my jam so solutions were implemented :) 1. Nginx Proxmox LXC container with domains that require digital ID such as X. I can easily add or remove domains to it via Ansible. 2. Mullvad VPN server/client setup on OPNSense 3. OPNSense Firewall rules with aliases from the local lists from step 1 4. Every time I access X or whatever, OPNSense firewall rule redirects that traffic v…

Side note, I do agree with under 16 being denied access to social media. Spend 5 minutes on X, Instagram or even worse Snapchat for you to see what these minors are doing. A lot generation, all for likes. GenZ is so cooked, by the time they reach their 30s, damn. Gen Alpha being born within the digital and AI world is even more cooked.

I don't think social media is any healthier just because people are older, I'd rather just ban them outright.

And from what I remember of the coverage of the scientists presenting their case in the UK there wasn't enough evidence to say whether it had an impact on children.

Personally I think ipad as babysitter is more to blame, but until the proper studies are done it's all just speculation.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Post by Chu4eeno »

HDBaseT wrote: post #40
globular-toast wrote: post #2

I'm considering the same thing. I've done the "contact your MP" thing, but it's a waste of time. You just receive a pre-written letter from some minimum wage assistant (or maybe just a bot). It's either that or I just consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to…

>Many books to read and places to go You cannot travel into the US without providing access to your Social Media accounts. Pretty likely you get denied if you say "I don't have social media".

Good thing I left my abandoned facebook/twitter/instagram accounts undeleted a decade ago.
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