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Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by varjag »

lb1lf wrote: post #47
varjag wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the Norway's Western coast (basically the extent of the country) is mountainous so building infrastructure there inevitably involves blasting the rock. At the same time the country is huge, bigger than Germany or the UK. So naturally a lot of tunnels. This one a bit special: most of the boat traffic through it are meant to be ferries so it is to be commissioned and managed by the National Road Authority. At t…

To stress how prolific tunnels are - if I drive from my home near Aalesund on the northwestern coast to the family seat at Voss (a bit inland from Bergen), some 360km/220mi or so, more than 1/4 of that distance is in tunnels. Can't remember how many, but dozens.

I think if you drive just the Bergen-Voss-Nordheimsund-Bergen circuit (some 200km?) that alone is 60 tunnels, and many of them are longer than what most countries have.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by kitd »

VorpalWay wrote: post #25
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #19

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From Wikipedia: > The Stad Ship Tunnel (Norwegian: Stad skipstunnel) is a planned canal and tunnel to bypass the Stad peninsula in Stad Municipality in Vestland county, Norway. The peninsula is one of the most exposed areas on the coast, without any outlying islands to protect it from the weather. The section has traditionally been one of the most dangerous along the coast of Norway. > The surrounding waters, known a…

"Stadhavet Sea", since havet means "the sea" (in both Swedish and (as far as I know) Norwegian), that is a terrible phrasing on English Wikipedia. It should be either just "Stadhavet" or "the Stad sea". Though, to be fair, there are a lot of places with silly names like that. From what I have heard "Sahara Desert" translates to "Desert desert" for example. I seem to remember there is even a place that translates as "…

"Pleonasm" is the word you're looking for:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1690206002103695

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by vidarh »

borosuxks wrote: post #37
VorpalWay wrote: post #25

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"Stadhavet Sea", since havet means "the sea" (in both Swedish and (as far as I know) Norwegian), that is a terrible phrasing on English Wikipedia. It should be either just "Stadhavet" or "the Stad sea". Though, to be fair, there are a lot of places with silly names like that. From what I have heard "Sahara Desert" translates to "Desert desert" for example. I seem to remember there is even a place that translates as "…

Norway had Nesoddtangen, which is three versions of the english point or head (nes, odde, tange) put together

I really should have remembered that - we occasionally went via Nesoddtangen to get to my grandparents cabin. I took the ferry there just last summer.

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Post by quickthrowman »

mapt wrote: post #48
bborud wrote: post #32

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Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it. However. Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categori…

The US will take a 3 year project, bid it out as a 10 year project to "save money", and cancel it at year 20 for cost overruns and because it's not projected to be operational until year 30.

Stretching a 3 year project to a 10 year project costs way more money. Labor costs go up every year. My state DOT manages to complete their road projects on schedule, even the large ones.

I can think of a handful of projects that turned out like your example, California HSR and some nuclear plants. The vast majority of projects are completed on time.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by pwg »

mkl wrote: post #7

Having no map is weird. Wikipedia has one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stad_Ship_Tunnel

> Having no map is weird.

Yes, a failure of both the journalist and the editor.

Sadly, this kind of failure is all too common. I encounter articles that often omit a photo of the "thing" the article is describing. This (no photo) might have made some sense fifty years ago in the heyday of paper print where including a photo was much more work. But today, for HTML publishing, it is just an indication of failure on the part of the publisher.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by ceejayoz »

emil-lp wrote: post #46
ceejayoz wrote: post #42

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There's no solid definition of "boat" versus "ship", but those are clearly a different scale.

A ship can carry a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship.

And some ships can carry a ship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Blue_Marlin

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by sandworm101 »

Someone wrote: post #36

FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel , to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.

And do not forget the various military ship tunnels out there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_museum_complex_Balaklava

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/asia/china-submarine-undergro...

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by [deleted] »

notfried wrote: post #2

When an architecture company seemingly uses AI to render mockups, they really need to ensure consistency and accuracy. It's not that difficult nowadays. It was quite confusing trying to understand the differences in design between pictures and to compute why the tunnel seems so short compared to the mountain, until I realized it must have been laziness; not laziness because they are using AI, but laziness to do their…

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