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McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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Weird that there are so many comments defending McMansions here, I would have expected the opposite. We have no problem pointing out poorly, haphazardly, or tastelessly designed tech devices and applications with terrible UIs, and tech companies with more money than design sense, but when it comes to a tasteless house, criticism is elitist gatekeeping?

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Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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> Disclaimer: These same principles do not always apply to Modernist or even canonically Postmodern architecture. These principles are for the classical or traditional architecture most residential homes are modeled after. Seems like an obvious way out of this conundrum is reclassifying these so-called mcmansions as postmodern. Description instead of prescription.

You would have the same critiques but applied from a different perspective. It’s like reclassifying a really bad plane as a helicopter. The same critiques wouldn’t apply but it would probably be an even worse helicopter.

Postmodernism is a bit more "anything goes as long as it's good". Once you move beyond really basic rule-based criticisms like "it's not symmetric" or "there are competing masses" then you can ask "but is it good?" i.e. does it work as a house for the persons it was built for in the context that it was built in? (To be fair from what I recall many entries in the blog actually do that to an extent, only using an air of neoclassical snobbery as a framework (for example that really funny bit about the pre-bathroom space where you can snort coke in the 80s is like this IMO))

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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I haven't read the article. It's build quality. I was in a colleague's house in Southern California over a canyon. Beautiful location worthy of an Italian villa. There is a pillar in the entry/living room area that I leaned against - it was obviously hollow and made of maybe cardboard and just decorative. Also the moldings/trim were made from styrofoam and painted over. Just crap for a multi-millions dollar home.

My apartment in Zurich will last 100+ years but their home won't last 10.

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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A lot of folks are defending McMansions here, but let me provide one reason why they might be objectively bad architecture: they seek to cram all of the bullet points that home buyers want into one thing, without regard for good quality design. For example, high vaulted ceilings that throw off the proportions of everything else. And then what happens is they're built quickly and poorly with poor materials. McMansions are kind of a form of enshittification. Also, when you build them all over the place, like in Utah, you hurt a whole class of people who want live in a place but don't want to have to deal with living in houses like that.

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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I will shit on your porch and you will have to respect my cultural decisions as you step over it.

See, the "your" in there is what we call a possessive pronoun. It indicates that something (in this case, my porch) is owned by someone (in this case, me). That makes what you are proposing doing a property rights issue, not cultural criticism. Shit on your own porch all you want.

Fine, I will shit on the public sidewalk easement.

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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Adding onto a house over and over would probably create the same issues with inconsistency and mismatched styles. With later additions, there's at least a decent reason for that inconsistency though. McMansions lack that consistency from the start.

Perhaps this lack of consistency is deliberate: “this house is trying to look like a miniature version of an estate that grew over many generations”. Curse not the McMansion. Rejoice in The People’s Gormenghast.

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Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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See, the "your" in there is what we call a possessive pronoun. It indicates that something (in this case, my porch) is owned by someone (in this case, me). That makes what you are proposing doing a property rights issue, not cultural criticism. Shit on your own porch all you want.

Fine, I will shit on the public sidewalk easement.

Again, that's public (shared), not yours.

Not sure how (or why) you've gone from "we shouldn't be judging other people's taste" to "I get to defecate wherever I want."

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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A lot of my friends enjoy sending links to this around from time to time, and for me I just don't care. It just all comes across as very elitist navel gazing. I don't actually care what other peoples properties look like. It's also kind of faux populist because while the homes they are criticizing are certainly higher income for their area, a lot of these are like $500K homes in exurbs. The people that enjoy laughing…

I dunno, my Mom in the midwest thinks it's the funniest thing ever, having grown up in an area where all the houses looked like this. There's some element of satisfaction knowing that you can't buy good taste

> There's some element of satisfaction knowing that you can't buy good taste

When I see the equivalent hate blog for the $5M greige coastal condo class aesthetic I’ll believe you

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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That’s some list of arbitrary rules..

Some of the houses trumpeted as “good” look like econoboxes with a front door and a roof. Some houses claimed to have “beautiful 1/3 proportions” look tiny even though my eyes can see the second and third floor windows! A hedge line either side of your path to your front door turns your garden into useless wasted space.

By contrast the “multi mass” look actually makes the house look bigger and suggests it has multiple disconnected living spaces - which sounds lovely, no need to always be forced on top of each other.

What if the “single roof line” aesthetic is an accident? What if it’s from a simpler time when resources to build your farm house were limited so you had to be efficient? Adopting it as some kind of ideal ignores that it might’ve just been practical.

It seems taste is personal but criticism is universal.

Sanctimonious bastards, get off my over-manicured lawn ;)

Re: McMansions 101: What Makes a McMansion Bad Architecture? (2016)

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Uhh, these are not humble middle class homes. These are the definition of American excess and the perpetual "me, me, me" attitude that sees an f250 with 5 feet of ass hanging outside the standard parking space giving everyone else a hard time. And of course they are basically also built by George Bluth, so all this material expenditure is going towards a terrible product that is already falling apart the day after th…

> Uhh, these are not humble middle class homes. You misunderstand; the target audience for ”McMansion Hell” is not the people living in a ”McMansion” but those who have less than that and would aspire to more.

A lot of folks would like to think that but as with most forms of conspicuous consumption not everyone with the means thinks it's a signal of success. Upper middle class households skating the rim of bankruptcy to keep pace with their neighbors is so common it's become a cliche.
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