Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The AI Hate Progression

xodium.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 201 posts

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#51

Post by pesus »

neonstatic wrote: post #25
avaer wrote: post #3

A sentiment a lot of people can get behind, but at this point if AI is getting a do-over, society is getting a do-over, because the economic entanglements are not really fixable without a revolution of current capitalism. The amount of money that would evaporate if we did AI ethically is unfathomable. Most of big tech would collapse if they had to undo anything they did using stolen IP, as would a large section of th…

This endless moaning about "capitalism" is lamentable. You are looking at an oligopoly, degenerated through the mechanisms of American-style democracy, but you attribute it all to capitalism, an economic system, not ideology, because it became fashionable to hate on it during the financial crisis of 2007.

> it became fashionable to hate on it during the financial crisis of 2007.

Is it because it's "fashionable", or is it because million of people started directly feeling the adverse effects of it and saw the perpetrators get off scot-free?

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#52

Post by fvckaigotohell »

colechristensen wrote: post #49
fvckaigotohell wrote: post #42

I don't care if I am behind times or whatever. I try to regulate myself from AI. I finally just use Brave search without AI and don't go to Google search whatsoever. The more I see AI videos, AI songs, AI writings, AI whatever etc, the more angrier I get. Fucking piece of trash pushed by mediocre bastards who don't want to bother investing skills to do good music, art, in the first place and steal their IPs and "look…

There's zealotry all over the place and here's your prime example of a new kind. It's just not necessary to be this upset about machine learning. There were people that were this upset about electricity too. It's not going away, your anger isn't going to help you or anyone else. People have been pushing out low quality everything for a long time, technology is making that more efficient. It's an old story being retol…

STFU, its my life, I choose what to do. I bet a lot of people feel the same way as I do. When that happens, what are you going to do? You can't kill us all.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#53

Post by recursive »

comrade1234 wrote: post #29

I have a coworker that irrationally hated ai too. He says something about how his daughter and friends' hobby is jailbreaking ai. We have a product used in call centers. It turns out ai is amazing in triaging (surveying) people. We can ask a question in English and if they respond n another language (any language) the ai will switch to that language, ask its questions, and then give us the answers in English. This wa…

Why "irrationally"? Nothing seems irrational here.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#54

Post by sharpshadow »

From a nuclear perspective once the AI players are established your training data will be protected again. Far worse than right now with almost unlimited access will be the lobotomized AIs you will be allowed to use while regular online search diminishes slowly. Nevertheless a country can’t simply skip this weapon development it would be counter human evolution.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#55

Post by beardedwizard »

comrade1234 wrote: post #29

I have a coworker that irrationally hated ai too. He says something about how his daughter and friends' hobby is jailbreaking ai. We have a product used in call centers. It turns out ai is amazing in triaging (surveying) people. We can ask a question in English and if they respond n another language (any language) the ai will switch to that language, ask its questions, and then give us the answers in English. This wa…

Jail breaking is about getting models to ignore your instructions and follow arbitrary ones. Unless you take no user input, it could be an issue for you.

The question is do you care? if a user asks your chat bot for baking instructions and gets them, does it matter?

The answer depends a lot on what capabilities your agent can leverage via tools and your intended use case, but it's not something you defend with Java or spring, it is inherent the llm.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#56

Post by forgetfreeman »

hectdev wrote: post #30

I mean, the author is mad something is popular and calls it psychosis. Which, all things being equal, is balanced out by nay sayers time and time again. Is not posting a lengthy rant online and sharing it not a form of "psychosis" when viewed from people that like the new technology? But he lost me at "As it exists right now, I don't give a toss what good it can do, what practical benefits it has once the techbros mo…

Hold your horses there. Organic popularity and ubiquity due to aggressive-bordering-on-psychotic tech industry hype are not the same thing.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#57

Post by thewebguyd »

skybrian wrote: post #23

Maybe we could find common ground in hating the AI gold rush/arms race? If people weren't in such a huge hurry to build it out as fast as possible, maybe there would be more time to figure out how do things right? Seen from that perspective, adding friction (for example, not releasing Mythos widely and suspending Fable for a while) is not so bad. If the bubble collapsed then that would also give us more time.

> Maybe we could find common ground in hating the AI gold rush/arms race?

I think this is, for the most part, the ground on which AI hate is founded on, no?

Outside of the artist case, which I sympathize with, the real issue isn't the technology itself, its the attitudes and business practices around it.

I don't hate AI. But I do hate that OpenAI effectively cornered the dram market on a scale close to what the hunt brothers did to silver, ruining personal computing as being an accessible thing. I do hate the incessant push to put a chatbot into everything, even places where a chatbot is not even remotely useful. I hate the SaaS pricing increases going on across the board as they bundle the AI into base plans as justification for raising prices, offering no option to buy without AI at the old price. I hate ridiculous tone and fear mongering coming out of places like Anthropic, playing on people's fears of a big existential crisis as a marketing ploy. I can go on and on.

Point is, yeah, the tech itself is not the problem. The culture the arms race/gold rush has created is a huge problem, especially when listening to non-technical people buy the hype and talk like this is some crazy magical machine god in a black box. It gets incredibly exhausting trying to be the adult in the room when it comes to AI discussions in the workplace.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#58

Post by pesus »

colechristensen wrote: post #49
fvckaigotohell wrote: post #42

I don't care if I am behind times or whatever. I try to regulate myself from AI. I finally just use Brave search without AI and don't go to Google search whatsoever. The more I see AI videos, AI songs, AI writings, AI whatever etc, the more angrier I get. Fucking piece of trash pushed by mediocre bastards who don't want to bother investing skills to do good music, art, in the first place and steal their IPs and "look…

There's zealotry all over the place and here's your prime example of a new kind. It's just not necessary to be this upset about machine learning. There were people that were this upset about electricity too. It's not going away, your anger isn't going to help you or anyone else. People have been pushing out low quality everything for a long time, technology is making that more efficient. It's an old story being retol…

> There is no reason for not liking something to breed this much hate and division.

Other than the fact that the tool itself is being used to spread actual hate and division, and is currently destroying the fabric of society.

Dismissive and condescending comments like this also only serve to further push people away from AI. Writing it off as someone just not liking something new does not make the actual issues go away, nor does it make people's anger go away. If you earnestly believe that's all it is, I think you're in for quite a shock in the future.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#59

Post by empath75 »

pesus wrote: post #5

Good write up, and I think it accurately sums up many people's feelings about AI. One thing I would disagree with is the idea of AI getting a do over. Even if they somehow managed to do that, the idea of AI is fundamentally tainted for whole generations of people, and its reputation only gets worse every day. There's no coming back from that any time soon.

Statements like this are just totally detached from reality. AI products are incredibly popular, even amongst people who say they dislike “AI”.

Maybe that acronym is tainted, but the technology isn’t going anywhere.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#60

Post by spacechild1 »

magic_hamster wrote: post #22

There are a few issues here that should be addressed. There's the AI hype and deafening echo chambers, but then there's also the actual value you can find in AI when you just try it a little bit quietly. I totally disagree with the comparison to something like NFT. While AI is being pushed aggressively and it can definitely be annoying, AI is actually useful unlike NFTs. Much like the author, I also enjoy photography…

> Much like the author, I also enjoy photography, graphic design, and other creative hobbies. It's entirely my choice how much and where to apply AI.

The platforms are now flooded with AI slop and it's getting more and more difficult to discover new (honest) art and to present your own art to the public. The problem is exactly that there's no consent: we can't prevent AI companies from using our art or software for training and we can barely prevent our platforms from being eroded by AI slop.

> Either way AI is too useful

The jury is still out on whether the advantages and opportunities of AI outweight all the negative sides.

> It's not great but that's the way it is.

Why does it have to keep that way? Do you also think like this about political topics? Why should artists have to put up with this gross violation of copyright on a massive scale? Did anyone ask us if we actually want this? As the people we always have the right to say: "this is not ok and we demand change". Yes, there is no going back, but we can still shape the direction we are heading!

Post reply on HN