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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

The current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise.

To be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change.

Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#52
This seems to be a case of administration impounding funds authorized by Congress for this purpose. As in they’re just spending what Congress told them to.

And unfortunately SCOTUS made it harder for private groups to sue over impounding. And seems to argue only the GAOs comptroller can sue under the impoundments control act (ICA). GAO is the part of Congress that investigates when executive branch isn’t enforcing the law / spending funds. But have themselves limited ability to enforce anything.

It’s another post watergate reform eroded by Trump II. The ICA was created to stop these sorts of impoundments that happens with Nixon and earlier.

Notably members of Congress are working to pause the dismantling

https://apnews.com/article/ocean-observatories-initiative-tr...

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#53
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> Starting this week, the Ocean Observatories Initiative will lose a network of more than 900 ocean sensors from waters off Oregon, Washington, Alaska, North Carolina and Greenland. > By 2027, the National Science Foundation will have dismantled most of the system, which had been slated to run another 15 to 20 years. > Scientists had seen warning signs as the Trump administration’s proposed 2026 budget included a 55%…

Why not just sell them to some other country? Surely Canada would buy the in-place sensors and take them over.

Beyond the regime's hatred of science, they also hate Canada, so that would never happen.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#55
The countries on the other side of the Pacific in East Asia will just have to pick up the slack and the same applies to those on the European side of the Atlantic, just another signal of the decline of the United States.

I’m sure that the same will apply to the weather satellites above.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#56

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

OMB = “Office of Management and Budget”.

It’s a White House office run by Russell Vought, highly ideological maga institutionalist.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just sell them to some other country? Surely Canada would buy the in-place sensors and take them over.

You think this is done to save costs? NO! This is costing more money to actively dismantle them than it would be to just abandon them. The administration is intentionally and specifically trying to destroy scientific evidence of climate change. If they just abandoned them, the next administration could reactivate and repair them.

People in the libertarian SV techbro world actually fall for the randian crap and believe that’s what they are getting.

And that’s the charitable interpretation.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#58

Perhaps EU or China could build their own network of sensors to track this stuff? It's dangerous for so much science to be dependent on a country run by anti-science idiots. I sincerely hope that China wins the AI race, for the sake of myself and my children. The Chinese Communist party might be evil, but at least they accept fundamental natural sciences, and are actively investing in technologies that help avoiding…

we seem to be doing some pretty cool science still. like invented AI

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

#60
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The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

It’s nothing to do with money, that’s always the libertarian excuse, and HN laps it up far more than the rest of the word.

Whatever delusions I once held that software engineers are above average intelligence were completely eradicated by seeing how many HN commenters eagerly bought into the obvious lies about DOGE and their goals (amongst other things). It was embarrassing. They sure seem to be a lot quieter about that now, though.
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