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Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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Re: Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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Yes, no doubt there is an obvious first-order reason for this. It's the second order effects that I think folks are rightly worried about, but it's easy to steel man.

Australian here, the under 16 ban was put in place early this year and I haven't ID verified for anything.

…so, have kids actually stopped watching Youtube?

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> The ban will therefore include platforms like Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and X. > "We do not intend for messaging services like WhatsApp and Signal to be included in the social media ban." YouTube is a bit of a surprise here, but I guess with Shorts they put themselves in the same category as Tiktok, etc.

There is this weird attempt to claim YouTube isn't social media from Google and others, but it's literally called "You Tube". It was designed as social media from the start, it's impossible to separate this without changing the name and everything about how it works except the films and series available to pay for.

My problem with youtube is they mix everything in the same bucket. Kids watching educational content on the platform is obviously fine, but watching shorts for 3 hours isn't. Or worse, uploading shorts of their own.

They need to break shorts off in to it's own app and create a kids mode account that disables commenting and uploading.

Re: Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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It’s a failure of capitalism that one of the greatest educational resources in four generations (YouTube) gets walled off to those who need it most. I’d say shame on Google for letting shorts ruin this for the kids, or shame on the UK government for short-sightedness, but it’s pretty easy to see where both are coming from.

>It’s a failure of capitalism that one of the greatest educational resources in four generations (YouTube) gets walled off to those who need it most.

Without capitalism that resource wouldn't even exist.

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> The ban will therefore include platforms like Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and X. > "We do not intend for messaging services like WhatsApp and Signal to be included in the social media ban." YouTube is a bit of a surprise here, but I guess with Shorts they put themselves in the same category as Tiktok, etc.

There is this weird attempt to claim YouTube isn't social media from Google and others, but it's literally called "You Tube". It was designed as social media from the start, it's impossible to separate this without changing the name and everything about how it works except the films and series available to pay for.

It's called "YouTube" because if you want to, you can be your own broadcaster. Calling YouTube "social media" because anyone can contribute (although the vast, vast majority are just consumers) is like calling Fiver or Upwork or DoorDash or Uber "social media", because anyone can join and contribute.

Re: Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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Australian here, the under 16 ban was put in place early this year and I haven't ID verified for anything.

I'm not sure that will bring a lot of relief to the concerned side as it implies you are being fingerprinted by all the websites that are subject to this verification rule.

were you under some sort of impression that ad-tech surveillance platforms (“social media”) weren’t already fingerprinting the majority of their users?

like, the facebook pixel used to track you across the entire internet (or damn near close enough to it). and that was 10-ish years ago.

they’ve been doing this for a while now.

Re: Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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Honest question: Is this about anything else than forcing all citizens to ID themselves to the government before using digital services?

The UK government has no problem being openly authoritarian when it wants to, without hiding it behind other policies. Whether or not you think it's bad policy (I think it's mixed), I think this is genuinely about what it claims to be.

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Honest question: Is this about anything else than forcing all citizens to ID themselves to the government before using digital services?

The currency of the world is data. This the beginning of public restriction to data (currency). It always starts slowly. Start with kids, softly softly. Fast forward a couple of years and we absolutely know this will morph into total control of who has access to what, when and how. It will be used to curb whatever the ruling elite decide they don’t like and we probably won’t even know, as by then they will have full spectrum dominance of all media & comms.

Look at how they flipped the switch on Mythos last week - do peope really believe these lunatic governments we’re all currently suffering from won’t go further after they start this? Some of you seem to think they still “ask” nicely... nope, they just do whatever they want now.

Re: Under-16s to be banned from social media, Starmer announces

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Honest question: Is this about anything else than forcing all citizens to ID themselves to the government before using digital services?

It's also about an extremely unpopular government restricting teenagers to only information provided by government controlled/supporting sources, so when they turn 16 and can vote they're more likely to vote for the incumbent regime.

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Yeah I don't think they've thought that through. YouTube hosts a mountain of educational content, e.g. the Khan Academy. That's now banned in the UK for under 16s.

There is also educational content on other sites

Not even 1% as much as on Youtube.
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