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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by zuzululu »

llm_nerd wrote: post #48
zuzululu wrote: post #25

what is bill c 22 in a nutshell for non canadians like me ? is this like the patriot act in usa ?

It's online and easy to read, and is a modernizing of laws around online systems. It is a deeply imperfect bill -- personally I think it is basically DOA and will not receive assent -- but a lot of the reaction to it are classic partisan hysterics (you can already see a bunch of those people throughout this discussion). https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-r... The parts that are garnering a lot…

how would they force vpns like mullvad to turn over the log when there isn't any?

are they just going to ban specific vpn providers then ? this is absurd!

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by badc0ffee »

stackghost wrote: post #47
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.

It's the tyranny of the majority. Ontario and Quebec together are like 65% of Canadians. I'm in BC and have made my peace with that. I would imagine people in PEI feel a similar way. Probably people living in Hope or Quesnel also feel similar about being steamrolled by Metro Vancouver and Victoria.

PEI gets 4 seats in the House of Commons.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by soperj »

stackghost wrote: post #47
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.

It's the tyranny of the majority. Ontario and Quebec together are like 65% of Canadians. I'm in BC and have made my peace with that. I would imagine people in PEI feel a similar way. Probably people living in Hope or Quesnel also feel similar about being steamrolled by Metro Vancouver and Victoria.

The eastern provinces and Quebec are actually over represented. That means there's even less of a chance for the west.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by llm_nerd »

zuzululu wrote: post #51
llm_nerd wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's online and easy to read, and is a modernizing of laws around online systems. It is a deeply imperfect bill -- personally I think it is basically DOA and will not receive assent -- but a lot of the reaction to it are classic partisan hysterics (you can already see a bunch of those people throughout this discussion). https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-r... The parts that are garnering a lot…

how would they force vpns like mullvad to turn over the log when there isn't any? are they just going to ban specific vpn providers then ? this is absurd!

Well that's the crux of it and why some VPN providers have pushed back. If the law passed, and if those VPNs got added as core providers, they would either need to log the metadata or stop operating in Canada, and several have said they would stop operating in Canada.

There are arguments for all sides, and I do think the narrative gets monopolized by the hysterical. On the one side I like torrenting without concern, but on the other it would be nice if services didn't provide cover for people to send death threats, bomb threats to schools because they fly a pride flag, VoIP swatting, and so on. Though ultimately limiting just VPNs directly operating in Canada just offshores the problem so the solution doesn't really achieve anything.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cik »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #45
EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Liberal party members of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU) are: * Jean-Yves Duclos: jean-yves.duclos@parl.gc.ca * Sima Acan: sima.acan@parl.gc.ca * Marianne Dandurand: marianne.dandurand@parl.gc.ca * Anthony Housefather: anthony.housefather@parl.gc.ca * Marcus Powlowski: marcus.powlowski@parl.gc.ca * Jacques Ramsay: jacques.ramsay@parl.gc.ca * Amandeep Sodhi: amandeep.sodhi@parl…

3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.

The last time I remember feeling that I had representation, as a Western Canadian was 3 Prim Ministers ago. I didn't even vote for Harper, but the others simply ignored the gulf between Regina and the Okanagan. It doesn't get better once you move to Ontario. You then realize that your MPs also don't represent you, but at least they're in government now.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by dyauspitr »

giantg2 wrote: post #16
alephnerd wrote: post #13

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> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

A lot of the Indian tech industry is really just the tech industry from other countries being outsourced to there.

Not everything though. There are huge unicorns that serve the Indian market in India.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by dyauspitr »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #36
zuzululu wrote: post #25

what is bill c 22 in a nutshell for non canadians like me ? is this like the patriot act in usa ?

Its far worse than the Patriot Act. Its legislation that attempts to weaken and break encryption so that law enforcement and others can access encrypted communications. It also seeks to require mandatory suspicionless metadata for all online services. The legislation was explicitly written to target both telecom companies and every online service. Citizen Lab has a good writeup on the legislation here: https://citize…

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by [deleted] »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #45
EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Liberal party members of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU) are: * Jean-Yves Duclos: jean-yves.duclos@parl.gc.ca * Sima Acan: sima.acan@parl.gc.ca * Marianne Dandurand: marianne.dandurand@parl.gc.ca * Anthony Housefather: anthony.housefather@parl.gc.ca * Marcus Powlowski: marcus.powlowski@parl.gc.ca * Jacques Ramsay: jacques.ramsay@parl.gc.ca * Amandeep Sodhi: amandeep.sodhi@parl…

3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by kps »

Fogest wrote: post #6
roter wrote: post #4

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The confirmation email takes a few minutes.

Yeah it's already been 10 minutes, but they likely got their email server on some hamster somewhere, so I probably just gotta wait longer for it.

I got it in seconds, now.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by llm_nerd »

slopinthebag wrote: post #37

The country has just slipped into a recession (only one in g20 btw), food bank usage is at record highs, it's young adults are ranked 71st in the world in happiness (boomers in the top 10 tho), housing is out of reach for many, youth unemployment is at ~15%, outside investments are non-existent, government debt is at record levels, haven't won the Stanley cup in decades, in a trade war with the USA, nobody is startin…

Foreign investments just hit an 18 year high. Employment numbers just went positive (at about 5x the per capita rate of the US). The country is recovering nicely from being addicted to mass immigration/housing. Export markets are rapidly diversifying, and Canada has made a number of new strategic partnerships. Two straight months of growing trade surpluses.

All while our largest trading partner explicitly and openly tries to harm us.

And who gives a flying fuck about the Stanley cup. What a weird thing to cite.

You understand governments are large things with many departments and focuses, right? This "whataboutism" angle is always spectacularly boring horseshit, and usually is plied by partisans that just want to piss and moan about everything Not Their Team does.

This bill is deeply imperfect, and I hope it dies. Your comment is just noisy partisan bluster.

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