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Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by ezst »

tda wrote: post #12

I run Nextcloud at home with 1.5TB of files and 2 users, on a reasonably sized server. It is painfully slow. Still better than OneDrive, but only just: synscing takes forever, never reaching a fraction of available bandwidth. Upload from my phone is flaky, often hangs and needs manual intervention. It is a battery drain. The whole experience with add-ons and the general UI feels like a 2010 PHP app. I am grateful Nex…

Look into "next cloud HPB" (High performance backend) https://github.com/nextcloud/notify_push

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by __jonas »

jaffa2 wrote: post #3

Is nextcloud the good one and owncloud the inferior one?

The breakdown as I understand is as follows:

- Owncloud: The 'original' platform, written in php, still developed today

- Nextcloud: A fork of Owncloud (php) by some of the people that worked on it, including the project founder over directional differences, now more widely used than the original Owncloud

- Owncloud infinite scale (OCIS): An implementation of the Owncloud server in Go, with the goal of making it faster and more scalable than the PHP version

- Opencloud: A fork of Owncloud infinite scale (Go) after an acquisition of ownCloud, the company.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by codepoet80 »

NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

I only use my ownCloud instance behind Tailscale...

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by esperent »

vitally3643 wrote: post #44
imalerba wrote: post #36

I left nextcloud because how slow it felt even on my beefy server. I switched to opencloud.eu, it might have less features but it's just what I needed

Seriously. I ran it on a server with two Xeon CPUs and 128GB of RAM. The web interface took minutes to do anything. Browsing a large photo library was just completely unworkable (and that was before they ripped out all the sorting and filtering features from the photo library). My instance killed itself somehow, likely a failed auto update. I was, of course, using the default docker setup with the watchtower instance…

I run it on a Hetzner vps with 4 vcpus, 16gb of ram that's also running multiple other containers. I haven't checked recently but most of that ram is free.

I'm not going to claim nextcloud is the snappiest app but I can open it right now, from across the world from my server as I'm on vacation, and it loads in <5s. I haven't done much tuning.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by snailmailman »

NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

I use nextcloud all the time, my private instance works great and does everything I need it to. But I keep it behind a VPN. It’s got a lot of parts, and thus a lot of surface area. It may be secure but I just assume it isn’t. I rely on the VPN to be the security boundary.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by 0fflineuser »

NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

Host it in your home an use a vpn to connect to your home network when you are outside, that way it isn't exposed to the internet but you can still access it.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by freedomben »

NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

Yeah definitely would put behind a VPN. I run mine on my desktop at home and use Tailscale (Headscale for self-hosting) to make it accessible when I'm out of the house. Blazing fast speeds when at home, and reasonable when not.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by jacobgkau »

> Your apps are now available via focused waffle menu for centralized access to all your apps. It reduces distraction and uses the interface space efficiently as your your library grows.

"your your" typo aside, I remember when Nextcloud moved from a drop-down menu for the apps to listing them all out separately on the header bar, to make them more visible and reduce the clicks to switch apps. I guess they've changed their minds again; I look forward to when they change them back.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by drnick1 »

lgcmo wrote: post #50
drnick1 wrote: post #18

Nextcloud is great, I self-host an instance at home. I mostly use the calendar, address book, and file sharing with links a la Google Drive. It's probably heavier and slower than it should be for what it does, but it works. Just like Home Assistant, it is a "must have" tool for self-hosters.

What's your experience like? Lot's of people say that's a mess to maintain and too broken to actively use. I often doubt if that's due to actual problems, or mix with that and bad decisions on the setup. Is dockering, keeping the data handling itself outside of it and a few other easy (or not so much) precautions enough to have a somewhat smoother sailing? Also, how much time do you need to keep things from failing a…

I never had any issues with it. The Docker image is basically a turnkey solution. The only extra step was to set up nginx as a reverse proxy. I wouldn't deploy a complex piece of software like Nextcloud without Docker to be honest, and this is coming from someone who runs stuff bare metal when it is practical to do so.

Edit: In view of the other response, I checked my docker-compose and I am also using the community maintained image (https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud) instead of the all-in-one image. It is supported by MariaDB, redis, and aio-talk (for Nextcloud Talk).

Another thing: You should not skip major versions when upgrading. Pin the version in your Docker compose file.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by theK »

0fflineuser wrote: post #56
NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

Host it in your home an use a vpn to connect to your home network when you are outside, that way it isn't exposed to the internet but you can still access it.

Yup, that's the way it has to be. And thanks to the autocomplete on steroids we call Ai nowadays it actually has become way easyier to do such a thing.
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