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New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by nephihaha »

hiddencost wrote: post #34
zuzululu wrote: post #18

None of this should be surprising unless you've been just gobbling up whatever you heard through mainstream media. Britain is at a breaking point. There are existential questions to be asked: Is Britain British without British Bourgeoisie that have lived there for thousands of years with new arrivals that have no commmon culture or connection to the land? Can Japan be called Japan without Japanese that have lived the…

Easy question with an easy answer that threatens a lot of bad people: immigrants are good.

Immigrants are people. People are not automatically good. Or bad.

Migration is not just a choice between an open door and a closed door, but a spectrum. There are a variety of levels between those two extremes.

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Post by henearkr »

hiddencost wrote: post #34
zuzululu wrote: post #18

None of this should be surprising unless you've been just gobbling up whatever you heard through mainstream media. Britain is at a breaking point. There are existential questions to be asked: Is Britain British without British Bourgeoisie that have lived there for thousands of years with new arrivals that have no commmon culture or connection to the land? Can Japan be called Japan without Japanese that have lived the…

Easy question with an easy answer that threatens a lot of bad people: immigrants are good.

Yes.

Mixing of cultures always lead to adding up their different solutions to all kinds of problems, improving the fitness of the result among other groups of humans.

It's gathering all the positive ideas or traditions of several groups, and the less useful or negative aspects tend to just fade naturally.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by HoldOnAMinute »

nephihaha wrote: post #39
moomin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Objectively, Japan needs to do something about its culture. It’s literally killing the country. Pretty sure a Japanese person could say the same thing about the U.K.

Japan is doing something. It is decades behind Europe but going down a similar path.

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by alibarber »

henearkr wrote: post #22

That's a dangerous situation for EU: - UK would rejoin EU, - and then, later on, Reform would reach power and undermine EU just like Orban did. So maybe it would be better to refuse UK its reentry into EU...

I'm afraid that it looks as if there are plenty of other contenders for those who might wish to undermine the EU, now and in the future.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by masfuerte »

moomin wrote: post #29

This is why these kinds of decisions shouldn’t be flipped on a marginal vote. Most countries require a supermajority before doing something like this. Sadly this now cuts the other way and the EU is highly unlikely to enter into anything with us without serious guarantees.

We would have had a quorum requirement if it was a proper referendum but it wasn't, it was claimed to be purely advisory. Of course, it was never going to work like that if leave won. David Cameron is an arse.

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Post by ceejayoz »

mrguyorama wrote: post #46
slashdev wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s way too simplistic. Not all immigrants are good. Many cost society more than they contribute. The right kind of immigrants are good.

Paint me this picture of an immigrant who costs more than they contribute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by josefritzishere »

slashdev wrote: post #37
hiddencost wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy question with an easy answer that threatens a lot of bad people: immigrants are good.

That’s way too simplistic. Not all immigrants are good. Many cost society more than they contribute. The right kind of immigrants are good.

Pretty much all immigrants are good, or at least good for something. People generally want or need all the same things. Xenophobia by and large is an irrational urge.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by nephihaha »

bonzini wrote: post #17
stronglikedan wrote: post #15

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Speaking of incompetent politicians, let me remind you of the Liz Truss lettuce...

Liz Truss tells an interesting anecdote of how when she became PM, she was given a list of things she was supposed to do. I think this is the reality of today's politics and is not democracy.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by mrguyorama »

Insanity wrote: post #3
MilnerRoute wrote: post #2

Tufts University asked an academic what the financial results were for the UK: "The British GDP has been reduced by 6–8%, business investment has been reduced by 12%, and trade volume has been reduced by 15%, compared to what it could have been if the U.K. had remained in the EU." https://now.tufts.edu/2026/06/08/10-years-after-brexit-vote-...

Which is pretty much aligned with what more level-headed people predicted would happen, if my memory is correct. There was a strong push for UK to leave EU, but it was more based on emotion than rational. Of course the 'right' used the narrative of prosperity to get votes, but it never really made sense economically to leave the strong economic power of the EU and try to be independent again. The UK is not the empire…

>Of course the 'right' used the narrative of prosperity to get votes

They used lies. Literal fabrications out of whole cloth.

They said that the UK was spending hundreds of millions of pounds on the EU, and if they pulled out they could use that money on like the NHS or something.

Lies.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by ben_w »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #19
MilnerRoute wrote: post #2

Tufts University asked an academic what the financial results were for the UK: "The British GDP has been reduced by 6–8%, business investment has been reduced by 12%, and trade volume has been reduced by 15%, compared to what it could have been if the U.K. had remained in the EU." https://now.tufts.edu/2026/06/08/10-years-after-brexit-vote-...

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The EU today is about as far from being an empire as the US was in the "Articles of Confederation" era (roughly 1781-1789):

States are sovreign, the federal body doesn't have direct powers of taxation and the money it does get is what the states tell it it's getting, foreign policy only happens to extent individual states say it does, lacks a fully unified financial system, more about interstate commerce than anything else.

But yes, if you hate that and want to spend 6-8% GDP not having it, this is absolutely within the rights of the people to decide that.

Of course, if they didn't want that and just plain didn't believe the people who accurately explained the cost, that's an argument for undoing it. Lying politicians isn't at all unique here, and unfortunately politicians saying the decision is permanent and irreversable is also not at all unique, but it is anti-democratic.

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