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Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #50
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Highly dependent on ones specific financial situation, risk-tolerance, and employment trajectory. While not a personal preference, most acquire revenue properties as they build equity over time. Assets secure lower loan rates, qualify mortgage fixed-payment schedules on investments, and require good management-companies to handle leases. Generally, mitigating tax exposures by investing in small businesses is still po…

So basically, in order to have a steady stream of money coming in, you need to start with having a steady stream of money coming in? :-D

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by justonceokay »

ddejohn wrote: post #14
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Aren’t soft skills much more important than hard skills when it comes to building a team?

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by 0123456789ABCDE »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #33
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

apparently not

you can wait for a reply from tptacek later in the day, or use the search at the bottom to find previous replies

here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=tptacek%20iq%20test&sort=byDat...

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by sublimefire »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #27

I've found that if I apply for any company that uses Workday, it's an immediate rejection, so I don't bother with them anymore.

I would not be surprised if their system breaks somewhere between us clicking submit and some storage system. Their HR stuff is terrible.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

Are you failing because of the dot test or because of the personality test?

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by curiousllama »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #33
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

NAL, but have worked in this. Griggs is a bit more complicated than that, and its progeny modify application anyway.

The TLDR is that arbitrary tests are permissible if there's no disparate impact. Tests with disparate impact are permissible iff they are not arbitrary (i.e., "directly" assess job responsibilities).

So, for example, Leetcode may have disparate impact, but it's "direct" enough to be permissible. On the other hand, most "AI Assessments" are actually so badly implemented that they're effectively random - and a coin flip won't have disparate impact.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by pclmulqdq »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #33
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

Not if they are dressed up in a particular way, and not if intelligence is genuinely relevant. I have done a few of these tests for jobs in the US before. They are just bad.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by mrkeen »

justonceokay wrote: post #52
ddejohn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Aren’t soft skills much more important than hard skills when it comes to building a team?

It depends on the objective.

If you're trying to cultivate a chill workplace with colleagues you enjoy having coffee with, that's a different objective from building software which works correctly.

Right now I'm trying to watch Book of Boba Fett on Disney Plus. When I cast Disney to my TV and hit play, it shows the animated Disney logo and sound for about a second, pauses/buffers for a couple of seconds, and then skips to the start of the next episode (and so on, until it runs out of episodes). I can temporarily fix it by turning everything off and on again, and starting the episode on my tablet before hitting the cast button.

Maybe they have a really strong team, I dunno.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by simongr3dal »

justonceokay wrote: post #52
ddejohn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Aren’t soft skills much more important than hard skills when it comes to building a team?

Lots of people have a hard time just freebasing in an abstract conversation about how they work and storytelling “My Journey” type stuff but work just fine in an actual team setting with concrete products, features, and problems to think and talk about.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by mrkeen »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #55
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

Are you failing because of the dot test or because of the personality test?

They are smart enough not to say. The usual pipeline is HR then both Alva tests at once (which seems backward to me - why not use the screen as the actual screen, instead of wasting an hour of HR time). All I know is I'm in their pipeline after the HR but not after the Alva tests.
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