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Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by internet2000 »

pebble wrote: post #44
altern8 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want, then? Isn't there capitalism, socialism--which is what people are actually talking about when they talk about communism, and then communism which will never exist? What were you referring to?

Not to sound like a hippie but we could just try to be a bit kinder to each other and not put money as the single most important thing above all else. You can run a business to make money AND do it in a way that leaves our world in a slightly better state than you found it. It’s not a black and white choice of either we jump hardcore into capitalism or all the other way into socialism. Similarly to OP I work at a com…

So you're talking about a set of values, not the economic system. The "capitalism" mention was bit of a non-sequitur, then.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#52

Post by reaperducer »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #48
pesus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should improve working conditions for everyone, not make them worse for everyone.

How is being asked to show up and clock in making things worse?

Full-time, white collar workers generally are not expected to "clock in" in the United States. It's why certain employees are legally exempt from overtime pay.

To ask exempt employees to clock in and out demonstrates that management doesn't trust its employees, which is a failure on the part of hiring/management, not the workers.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#53

Post by conartist6 »

Look, it sucks and nothing I say will fix it, but know this: it's never been easier to spot people WHO ARE DOING THE ACTUAL WORK, and never so easy to spot the impostors who care most about looking productive.

The world is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

There are precious few of us left who even still know how to write in our own voice, who have a will to grow ourselves and faith left in human ability. I urge you beyond all urging not underestimate yourself, for you have never been more rare and valuable!!!

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#54

Post by mjamesaustin »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #48
pesus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should improve working conditions for everyone, not make them worse for everyone.

How is being asked to show up and clock in making things worse?

At a minimum any commute is extra unpaid time you have to spend for no benefit. For many people where I live, commutes can be an hour or more each way.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#55

Post by reaperducer »

SoftTalker wrote: post #46
wl wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clocking in and out serves little purpose if you're salaried.

Might be needed if your salary expense has to be charged back to various internal accounts or to external clients. My first job was salaried, but I had to fill out a time sheet so clients could be billed.

Filling out a time sheet and clocking in and out are two different things.

I have to fill in a time sheet, but I never ever clock in and out.

If someone clocks in and out, they don't need a timesheet. It's automatically recorded.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#56

Post by miltonlost »

isoprophlex wrote: post #42
bossyTeacher wrote: post #17

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> You must look around and see the lack of men, and force yourself to become one. What exactly does this mean?

I'm giggling a little, imagining a company run almost entirely by raccoons... and the OP sitting there as the sole human, lamenting the lack of men.

Raccoons at least have some sort of intelligence. Leeches are a better animal comparison IMO

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#57

Post by altern8 »

pebble wrote: post #44
altern8 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want, then? Isn't there capitalism, socialism--which is what people are actually talking about when they talk about communism, and then communism which will never exist? What were you referring to?

Not to sound like a hippie but we could just try to be a bit kinder to each other and not put money as the single most important thing above all else. You can run a business to make money AND do it in a way that leaves our world in a slightly better state than you found it. It’s not a black and white choice of either we jump hardcore into capitalism or all the other way into socialism. Similarly to OP I work at a com…

I'm not following you. Capitalism just means free market. Private individuals own the companies instead of the government, and they do that with the main goal of making money.

I can't figure out why that must necessarily mean that those companies can't leave the world in a slightly better place. A LOT of them do, specially small businesses.

I've seen the destruction that socialist governments left even after decades and I went to Cuba and other socialist countries and the government treats them like literal slaves and life is shit over there, with no way out.

Anyways, I know of capitalism, socialism, and communism. I just wanted to see if you meant another form that I wasn't aware of.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#58

Post by krapp »

internet2000 wrote: post #51
pebble wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to sound like a hippie but we could just try to be a bit kinder to each other and not put money as the single most important thing above all else. You can run a business to make money AND do it in a way that leaves our world in a slightly better state than you found it. It’s not a black and white choice of either we jump hardcore into capitalism or all the other way into socialism. Similarly to OP I work at a com…

So you're talking about a set of values, not the economic system. The "capitalism" mention was bit of a non-sequitur, then.

Capitalism is a moral framework as much as it is an economic system, especially in the US where it is deeply entangled in the Protestant work ethic and prosperity gospel ideals.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by [deleted] »

pebble wrote: post #44
altern8 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want, then? Isn't there capitalism, socialism--which is what people are actually talking about when they talk about communism, and then communism which will never exist? What were you referring to?

Not to sound like a hippie but we could just try to be a bit kinder to each other and not put money as the single most important thing above all else. You can run a business to make money AND do it in a way that leaves our world in a slightly better state than you found it. It’s not a black and white choice of either we jump hardcore into capitalism or all the other way into socialism. Similarly to OP I work at a com…

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Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

#60

Post by pebble »

internet2000 wrote: post #51
pebble wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to sound like a hippie but we could just try to be a bit kinder to each other and not put money as the single most important thing above all else. You can run a business to make money AND do it in a way that leaves our world in a slightly better state than you found it. It’s not a black and white choice of either we jump hardcore into capitalism or all the other way into socialism. Similarly to OP I work at a com…

So you're talking about a set of values, not the economic system. The "capitalism" mention was bit of a non-sequitur, then.

Well all the things OP complained about are inherently caused by capitalism but I think it’s probably possible to engage in capitalism in a way that is cognizant of those issues and actively trying to avoid them instead of treating them as eh that’s just how business is done
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