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Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

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Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#51
The browser might be the definitive problem with Microsoft, but really their shitty office tools is a bigger drain on the world economy. Teams is fundamentally incapable of handling something as simple as showing the correct alerts (activity? or who the hell knows since nothing has anything to do with new messages to the user) and there's hardly a B2B company in the world that will risk not losing business by running a different tool than other people running this trash.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#52
post #50

It's really jarring to still be pinning this on Microsoft, when Google and Apple have been doing the same for free, for years, in iOS, Android and ChromeOS.

If there's any pinning needing to be done it would be on lax antitrust laws or enforcement in the U.S. In the E.U., all of these companies consistently get slapped on the wrist about all of these things, but there's only so much the E.U. can do, if these companies get a safe haven in the U.S. and if the E.U. wants to continue to trade with the U.S. relatively freely. The U.S. is taking a stance that it benefits them more to be the domicile of evil monopolistic global megacorps than to police the necessary preconditions for the existence of free markets (which would imply that other nations could compete more freely with the U.S.) The E.U. has no such conflict of interests, so it's easy for them to take the "moral" high ground (although it's not moral to be precise; more like an appeal to free market values, which, they themselves, are also happy to violate on a case-by-case basis pretty much as it suits them).

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#54
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> Microsoft leverages its immensely powerful position as the supplier of the ubiquitous Windows PC operating system, as well as many productivity and other must-have apps, to push users towards its first-party browser, Edge, through tactics that restrict, distort and subvert user choice. Heh. This could have been written 25 years ago. Though at least back then, Microsoft was winning. Since then, the market share of I…

Why is Microsoft pushing Windows users to use Edge? What does it gain if a user chooses Edge over Firefox or Chrome? Is it just about in-browser ad?

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#55
post #2

> Microsoft leverages its immensely powerful position as the supplier of the ubiquitous Windows PC operating system, as well as many productivity and other must-have apps, to push users towards its first-party browser, Edge, through tactics that restrict, distort and subvert user choice. Heh. This could have been written 25 years ago. Though at least back then, Microsoft was winning. Since then, the market share of I…

As someone who was NTSE certified in the late '90s, you are absolutely correct. I stopped supporting the platform when they: - Mandated WGA even for licensed partners that got "Teh Crate" of every release every month which mandated multiple hosts for every version in lieu of simple multi-boot - Allowed arbitrary code in the Registry - Embedded IE making multi-browser testing a nightmare - Developer API support went f…

One look at enterprise will tell you Windows is not a dead platform

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#56
post #2

> Microsoft leverages its immensely powerful position as the supplier of the ubiquitous Windows PC operating system, as well as many productivity and other must-have apps, to push users towards its first-party browser, Edge, through tactics that restrict, distort and subvert user choice. Heh. This could have been written 25 years ago. Though at least back then, Microsoft was winning. Since then, the market share of I…

Why is Microsoft pushing Windows users to use Edge? What does it gain if a user chooses Edge over Firefox or Chrome? Is it just about in-browser ad?

Data. Every move, every click, every visited URL, dwell time on sites, etc. Also, the competition does not get these data, at least not as easily.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#57

All this applies to iOS and safari too

Not really. You can select any default browser on iOS, as far as I know.

Yes, any default browser just as long at it uses the WebKit engine. This is comparable to how the Ford Model T could be ordered in any colour just as long as it was black.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#58
post #31

> SPONSORED CONTENT FROM BROWSER CHOICE ALLIANCE Who is the "Browser Choice Alliance" I thought to myself. One web search later: > Our members: Midori, Opera, Vivaldi, Wavebox, Browserworks, and, ... wait for it ... > Chrome.

Yes, competing browser vendors want to compete on what is still the biggest 'desktop OS'. It would be more remarkable if this had been written by, say, the Sierra Club or the National Federation of Piano Tuners. That Google/Chrome is part of this group comes as no surprise nor does the fact that they'd most likely act the same as Microsoft does if and when they're in the position Microsoft is.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#59
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are not forced to use microsoft You absolutely are. That's precisely why they were forced to make the browser not a core part of their OS. The entire strategy of Microsoft has been since its inception to force people to use their solutions! They got the OS on the computer itself, not something to install after with a conscious choice. Once they do this they bundle writer, spreadsheet, etc suite as one-way inter…

Top it off with the github acquisition we need to nuke the planet from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!

Indeed, Microsoft doesn't have to build something to bundle and lock-in, they have a huge budget to acquire, here literally trying to bring the entire open-source community to their products, again.

Re: Dear Microsoft, enough is enough

#60
post #31

> SPONSORED CONTENT FROM BROWSER CHOICE ALLIANCE Who is the "Browser Choice Alliance" I thought to myself. One web search later: > Our members: Midori, Opera, Vivaldi, Wavebox, Browserworks, and, ... wait for it ... > Chrome.

Yes, competing browser vendors want to compete on what is still the biggest 'desktop OS'. It would be more remarkable if this had been written by, say, the Sierra Club or the National Federation of Piano Tuners. That Google/Chrome is part of this group comes as no surprise nor does the fact that they'd most likely act the same as Microsoft does if and when they're in the position Microsoft is.

They already are in the same position. See: Android, ChromeOS.
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