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The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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What I think many of the jaded comments about how "it was ever thus" miss is what it means that American soft power is reduced to AI slop. During the Cold War, the CIA famously funded all sorts of cultural endeavors, but much of the output (if not directly CIA-created, then at least bolstered by the Agency) is still held to have been culturally relevant: abstract expressionism ( https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20…

Genuine question, were we ever great at this?

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

#52

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Any form of centralized power is bad for the vast majority of civilization. always has been

I'm curious: what civilizations can you point to in which there has been no centralized power?

Your own network of friends and family.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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> Being capitalist implies being right wing Oh boy, no it does not. Supporting low-intervention markets ( i.e. brutal competition among corporations) alongside high taxation of gains (and strong services for individuals) is absolutely coherent and both capitalist and not right wing. (It's a decent description of my politics.)

Aren't you a venture capitalist? A left wing one?

> Aren't you a venture capitalist?

Pretty much.

> A left wing one?

Wouldn't say that. I like wealth redistribution and taxation as a tool of both economic empowerment and political equalisation.

I do have friends whom I'd consider left wing. I agree with them on many issues, from unionising bars to raising the minimum wage. I disagree with them on others, e.g. regulating everything for the sake of it.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time .

Nordic style social democracy works quite well though. Communism sucks, but too much unregulated Capitalism isn't great either, as we can see in USA and many other countries that suffer from extreme inequality.

Nordic style social democracy only works well (I think) if the country has reliable sources of income separate from corporations; Norway has a trillion dollar investment fund from oil and gas revenue that is still being added to. The Netherlands earned billions from a gas field in Groningen which they used to fund the social securities systems (subsidies, benefits, etc). But with the closing of those gas fields (they were causing earthquakes, plus environmental concerns) that source of income is gone, and with that + baby boomers retiring + NL being a tax haven so we don't earn much from the huge sums passing through + skyrocketing cost of living, these systems are being broken down one by one.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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It seems some AI propaganda has already worked on you.

It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time .

What works better, in your opinion?

Or, what system is not responsible for human atrocities?

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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It seems some AI propaganda has already worked on you.

It seems you're not from LatAm.

I am and I can say with full certainty that the "socialism threat" paranoia in our region is incredibly stupid.

The real threat has always been corrupt governments and corporations meddling in politics that gave away the birth of guerrillas (and even sponsored them) like here in Colombia.

The "socialism bad" has been in many cases just an excuse for so many here to hold themselves in power and make the lifes of the less fortunate completely miserable.

Power just corrupts, be it from "left" or "right".

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious: what civilizations can you point to in which there has been no centralized power?

Your own network of friends and family.

my friends and family may be civilized, heavy emphasis on the may, but they are not a civilization.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

#59
post #41

What I think many of the jaded comments about how "it was ever thus" miss is what it means that American soft power is reduced to AI slop. During the Cold War, the CIA famously funded all sorts of cultural endeavors, but much of the output (if not directly CIA-created, then at least bolstered by the Agency) is still held to have been culturally relevant: abstract expressionism ( https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20…

Genuine question, were we ever great at this?

If "we" = "the USA":

1. I think the examples I linked to are real, in the sense that they were both a) CIA funded (or boosted) and b) are broadly credible cultural output.

2. Voice of America was a real media outlet with real cultural impact.

There are also non-American examples. The BBC World Service is (or was) pretty widely listened to, which strikes me as a pretty big soft-power boost for an otherwise waning colonial power.

I do think what separates those from (apparently) this example is that they were all output that had genuine value to the target audience. That's sort of like the discussion around USAID: it was, indeed, also often CIA-adjacent and, during the Cold War, was anything but a purely altruistic endeavor (which is why it's so funny to see reactionaries describing it as some sort of bleeding-heart operation), but it nonetheless provided genuine value to recipients of its relatively meager budget.

What seems to be the dominant philosophy in Washington now is either a) America can get all the same cultural influence for cheap via AI, or b) soft power influence doesn't matter anyway because America has the Tomahawk missiles.

I think both of those views are likely to be incorrect.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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If the American system is so good, why does it always need to be promoted in such strange ways? LA people should be so eager to be pro-America

It is an arms race just like any other. Country A says "we're the best", country B says "Country A is a bunch of liars, look at us", country C says "in contrast to the clear propaganda coming from A and B the truth is that we've found the answer to every question", A counters with "B does nasty things to ${ethnic_group}", B says "C stole every answer from us", C says "A and B are ruled by geriatric know-nothings", etc. Propagandists are going to propagandise no matter whether they're in a representational republic, a democracy, a constitutional monarchy, an oligarchy or a dictatorship. Some of the propaganda is closer to the truth than other but it is still propaganda.
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