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Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers

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I hate it when americans use the false statistic of comparing waiting times for healthcare between the usa and another country. It's a false statistic because in the united states, there are a great many people who need healthcare but can't afford it so their waiting time is inifinity truncated only by the fact that they'll eventually die. If their wait times were averaged in with all the americans who are rich enoug…

It's a false statistic because the US has pretty terrible waiting times as well. Here we're just told that we have "choice", so those waiting times become our own responsibility rather than the system's.

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I loved china but eventually had to come back due to mostly air quality and some career issues. I’m back in my favorite American city at least, but having spent 11 years out (2 in Switzerland and 9 in china), I feel anxious (and I came back just in time for Trump 1, ugh).

Air quality in china has massively improved over last couple of years... Oc not as fast in all cities but might want to update your priors :)) (if that trump 1 is not a typo 8 years is a huge difference)

Beijing is better now but still not good enough. Anyways, we had a baby on the way in 2016 and my wife was pretty sure Beijing wouldn't work out for his lungs.

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I would take healthcare I have to wait a bit for over healthcare that could cripple me financially thanks.

Last time I used healthcare in mainland Europe (Austria) a suspected broken finger it was 25 minutes from waking in to having the scan and the splint and being on my way. This was free with a GHic. In the U.K. I had a problem and phoned my gp, went in 2 hours later, 10 minutes, walked out with a prescription. In the US I had the same problem, spent 2 hours, had my blood pressure taken 4 times, and eventually had the…

> spent 2 hours, had my blood pressure taken 4 times ... cost me $2,000.

I'd hate to see what they billed your insurer.

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Europe gets romanticized way too much. Healthcare often means months of waiting and very hit-or-miss doctors. Bureaucracy is worse, salaries are lower, and there are plenty of stupid laws and corruption too. It is probably better if you value slower life, more vacation, and working less. But it is not some obvious upgrade over the U.S. Just a different set of problems. (I'm hungarian)

To add some nuances, as someone living in Germany, it’s correct you might have to wait months for a medical appointment, but not for emergencies. Psychiatrists, psychotherapists are generally overbooked and you likely have to wait 3-6 months (sometimes more), which isn’t great if you are in a bad place. However if we are talking about breaking something, you can get everything happening quickly and efficiently. Perso…

In the US, most specialists are booked out 6 months. It seems impossible to find a mental health care provider that accepts insurance and is taking new patients. You can get prescribed mental health drugs from your primary care physician.

That's just my experience and I have health insurance provided by one the world's richest employers, I pay 4,318.86/yr in premiums for our family with a multi-thousand-dollar deductible.

Maybe if I was a very rich person in a poorer area that still happens to have a hospital, I'd have an easier time scheduling healthcare but I'd have to make that choice over moving abroad.

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Lots of americans and others, show up here in Nova Scotia (and other places) and try and settle down, many are what I call "lifestyle refugees", and are often well off but traumatised by something or the other, but as the merry pranksters say, "wherever you go, there you are", then there are the "helpers" who are bringing some sort of idea that nobody is unaware of, another category is the wealthy , self centered, ci…

Canadians have told me Nova Scotia has had population decline over the past generation. Are there vacant homes and disused land there?

I don't know about a population decline, but it's well known that its real estate is almost as expensive as it in major population centres. It's also very hard to find a family physician taking new patients.

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Air quality in china has massively improved over last couple of years... Oc not as fast in all cities but might want to update your priors :)) (if that trump 1 is not a typo 8 years is a huge difference)

Beijing is better now but still not good enough. Anyways, we had a baby on the way in 2016 and my wife was pretty sure Beijing wouldn't work out for his lungs.

I hear Philippines and Indonesia is another one people are picking to settle down.

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I left over a decade ago, but I actually considered coming back around 2024, so I put some research into it. The result was grim. - I'm now married to a non-American who is not white. We're not confident in the immigration process, to say the least - Both of us are self-employed; the quote for decent (not good, I mean aggressively mediocre) insurance was very high - Housing costs in any city we wanted to live in were…

Where did you leave to?

Re: Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers

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Lots of americans and others, show up here in Nova Scotia (and other places) and try and settle down, many are what I call "lifestyle refugees", and are often well off but traumatised by something or the other, but as the merry pranksters say, "wherever you go, there you are", then there are the "helpers" who are bringing some sort of idea that nobody is unaware of, another category is the wealthy , self centered, ci…

Canadians have told me Nova Scotia has had population decline over the past generation. Are there vacant homes and disused land there?

huge amounts of vacant land and homes in rural areas, and by rural this means zero services, perhaps not even electricity or cell, which will be true for more than 75% of Canada. if there are power poles then there is still a lot of empty houses and land, but they will be again more than 45min drive from the most basic services, and there may be no internet or cell service due to topography and demographics, starlink is changing this quickly ,and imigration is causing a general population explosion along with a development boom in the city(singular), and big towns.

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Air quality in china has massively improved over last couple of years... Oc not as fast in all cities but might want to update your priors :)) (if that trump 1 is not a typo 8 years is a huge difference)

Beijing is better now but still not good enough. Anyways, we had a baby on the way in 2016 and my wife was pretty sure Beijing wouldn't work out for his lungs.

Now it's better than quite a few places, personally based in Vietnam and wouldn't mind swapping air quality sometimes

2016 was definitely too bad and especially with a baby...

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