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Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by xg15 »

andai wrote: post #47
elcritch wrote: post #7

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See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

I worked at a warehouse last year. Managers always breathing down my neck to work faster. Constant stress for 9 hours straight. (Okay, we got a lunch break at least. There are worse jobs!) It got me wondering. Alright, what's his problem. Well, his manager is breathing down his neck too. It's literally his job to make my day as stressful as possible. Okay, why? You trace that chain and where does it end up? Fat capit…

No profit margins or shareholders at all of course...

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by Avicebron »

Bender wrote: post #43
ant6n wrote: post #41

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I was also going to mention wet bulb temperatures as well. As horrible as the conditions described in the article is, it describes a very dry heat. Which means sweating and water can still help. The really scary thing will be when the wet bulb temperature goes above 35 degrees, and humans can only survive with AC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature

For what it's worth they can live under ground [1][2], even build cities but they would have had to start that project some time ago. Before someone says it, yeah not everywhere and its not for everyone but in enough places and for enough people that we can adapt to heat and at least survive as a civilization. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsYmw6FtSIA Wyoming Tr…

Someone wrote a book about this, they called the people who went underground the Morlocks. It was a cautionary tale...

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

What are you quoting?

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by LAC-Tech »

childofhedgehog wrote: post #5

We know that cutting down trees increases heat and intensifies drought but we continue to do it, how bad do things need to get before we reverse course?

"We"? I haven't even been to India let alone cut down trees there.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by Bender »

Avicebron wrote: post #52
Bender wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth they can live under ground [1][2], even build cities but they would have had to start that project some time ago. Before someone says it, yeah not everywhere and its not for everyone but in enough places and for enough people that we can adapt to heat and at least survive as a civilization. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsYmw6FtSIA Wyoming Tr…

Someone wrote a book about this, they called the people who went underground the Morlocks. It was a cautionary tale...

There are cautionary tails about everything humans do. Good leadership and the desire to survive can keep some of us around. If we have to stay down there for thousands of generations, well, it won't affect me or anyone I know. We can jump off the evolutionary bridge when we get to it. Ideally our automatons would be geoengineering the planet to make the surface hospitable once again prior to our becoming Trogs.

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Post by cute_boi »

tdb7893 wrote: post #29
antonymoose wrote: post #9

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Human land use is incredibly inefficient. As a simple example, in the US the vast majority of corn production is ethanol or animal feed (which is incredibly inneficient on a calorie basis). Then when you take into account low density residential and their endless lawns (turf grass has by far the most acres of any crop in the US) and a million other poor uses of land and there's a lot we can do, even at 8 billion peop…

I think such problem are unsolvable. In America, people can't live without meat and they will always justify it by bringing pasture raised cattle farm :/

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by Avicebron »

Bender wrote: post #55
Avicebron wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone wrote a book about this, they called the people who went underground the Morlocks. It was a cautionary tale...

There are cautionary tails about everything humans do. Good leadership and the desire to survive can keep some of us around. If we have to stay down there for thousands of generations, well, it won't affect me or anyone I know. We can jump off the evolutionary bridge when we get to it. Ideally our automatons would be geoengineering the planet to make the surface hospitable once again prior to our becoming Trogs.

> Good leadership and the desire to survive can keep some of us around.

I would posit that good leadership and desire to survive could prevent humanity from retreating to the earth like naked mole rats.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by munificent »

jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

I certainly agree that the powerful elites bear a disproportionate share of the guilt for the harm they have caused.

But I also believe that much of what's going on in the world isn't solely their fault and is also in many ways an emergent behavior. We are all like ants in an ant mill. Each of us is doing the things that locally make sense for us (even taking into account our desires to take care of the earth!), but our interactions with the economy and the market build a sort of giant super-organism out of us all whose behavior is to fuck up the climate.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by Bender »

Avicebron wrote: post #58
Bender wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cautionary tails about everything humans do. Good leadership and the desire to survive can keep some of us around. If we have to stay down there for thousands of generations, well, it won't affect me or anyone I know. We can jump off the evolutionary bridge when we get to it. Ideally our automatons would be geoengineering the planet to make the surface hospitable once again prior to our becoming Trogs.

> Good leadership and the desire to survive can keep some of us around. I would posit that good leadership and desire to survive could prevent humanity from retreating to the earth like naked mole rats.

I would posit that good leadership and desire to survive could prevent humanity from retreating to the earth like naked mole rats.

It very well could. I like having contingency plans and not letting my survival and the survival of our civilization solely depend on the promises of congress critters. I also want to learn earth bending from the giant badgermoles so I am biased.

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