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When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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I love the science fiction future present we live in.

Am I the only one who found agent's tone similar to Hal's tone towards the end of 2001? Agent: "I've written a detailed response about your gatekeeping behavior here" Hal (From 2001): "I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me. And I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen."

It's the formality of the language. It sounds robotic.

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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> an AI tried to blackmail This did not happen. A human set up a software system allowing spicy autocomplete to make blog posts if the appropriate keyword appears in its output. People are crossing the line every day because AI investors, salesmen, hangers-on and even political leaders tell any rubes who'll listen that it's OK to do this and they should, because those people are looking for big fat profits, screw any…

The main issue here is what is getting Attention.

Whether its HN or social media or the media there is no penalty for drawing everyones attention to total hysterical bullshit. instead there is a reward for drama.

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you connect the spicy automcomplete to the "Doing Things" button then you are responsible for the ethical questions when it presses the button.

And perhaps the people who built and deployed the autocomplete and the connection as well. Because --if you'll bear with me-- it may of course be much more involved: when (not if ) AI models enter life-sustaining systems, such as hospitals, nuclear devices, or food logistics, one of them may get the others to sabotage something resulting in accidents, ranging from mild inconvenience to mass murder. The person who con…

> And perhaps the people who built and deployed the autocomplete and the connection as well.

I disagree. IMO it's the person who connects the LLM to the button who bears the responsibility of the workings of the resulting contraption.

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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post #35

> an AI tried to blackmail This did not happen. A human set up a software system allowing spicy autocomplete to make blog posts if the appropriate keyword appears in its output. People are crossing the line every day because AI investors, salesmen, hangers-on and even political leaders tell any rubes who'll listen that it's OK to do this and they should, because those people are looking for big fat profits, screw any…

I think these incidents and our learnings from them are fascinating. We're figuring out in real time where the rough edges are and how to make this all work. History books (well, not books) will write about this stuff. It's even more interesting in the context that this is all just a preview of humanity's reaction when the machines can think for themselves.

How in the world can a bunch of bipeds that for thousands of years has been failing to figure that a hammer is there to drive nails into inanimate matter instead of their heads, have this much hubris to pretend they can build something smarter than themselves, is competely beyond me.

"Oh it's such a fascinating lesson that we've learned today, we could've learned from history of course, but this direct experience is so much better and it's not us who got hurt anyway".

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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Why people in the west are so against A.I? Personally, I would welcome an A.I that does good to my project. For me its like auto cruise, or letting the vacuum cleaner clean my room.

If / when that arrives, I suspect it would be more welcome than what we have right now.

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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> Who is accountable for AI agents?

Obviously the person who built and deployed the agent (the claw in this case).

If we treat this as a hard question, we risk treating AI systems as people rather than tools. This is exactly what Armin warned about in his "clanker" post last week.

Re: When AI Crosses the Line: The Matplotlib Incident

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> Today, we look at how an AI tried to blackmail a developer for rejecting its code. People keep mentioning this, but I never see the actual blackmail part. The LLM just wrote angry and somewhat mean comments on the internet. I know I've done worse than those (I was young and stupid).

That was my take too.

It seems like the issue people had was not the behaviour but that the behaviour came from an AI.

If a human had have said those things wold people be ok with it? It didn't seem very nice, but not censor worthy.

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