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Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

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Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#51
post #36

Speed cameras next. They’re just revenue generators and part of a safetyism Trojan horse for surveillance.

They definitely slowed drivers down in San Francisco: data was released proving it.

Slowing drivers isn’t a good thing. It’s just making lives worse by adding travel time when people could move faster. But my point remains - speed cameras are a backdoor surveillance method. They can be subpoenaed.

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#52

Nice to see some pushback in the most egregious abuses of privacy. I wonder why we are getting this with Flock but not seeing the same with private security cameras such as Ring, pervasive tracking of mobile devices by carriers and apps, and internet browser tracking. Is it just that there's a direct personal benefit with those devices, and people view the trade-off as being worth it?

Ring did get some pushback when they advertised the "pet finding" feature that folks realized meant would allow anybody to be found.

But overall, being tracked by your _own_ device feels different than being tracked by somebody else's device. Especially when taxpayer dollars are being used for that other device.

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#53

Nice to see some pushback in the most egregious abuses of privacy. I wonder why we are getting this with Flock but not seeing the same with private security cameras such as Ring, pervasive tracking of mobile devices by carriers and apps, and internet browser tracking. Is it just that there's a direct personal benefit with those devices, and people view the trade-off as being worth it?

Dont forget about Waymo and similar. As much surveillance as flock.

Does Waymo track individuals for businesses and governments?

If so, I'll stop using them. If they just happen to need cameras, that's fundamentally different.

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speed cameras save lives. It's best when they're paired with: - good publicity (drivers know that speed cameras exist) - density (high chance of passing a speed camera) - enforcement of penalties (if fines can be ignored then they lose their deterrent effect) - portable (so you don't know where they are ahead of time)

They also enable mass surveillance and they also unnecessarily reduce quality of life. No one talks about the time lost to artificially low speed limits. But they do matter.

Speed cameras enable efficient enforcement of existing speed limits. They don't require 'artificially low speed limits'.

Speed cameras don't have to enable mass surveillance. The oldest ones are detect a speeding object and take two photos at a fixed interval. Cars that aren't speeding aren't recorded.

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#57
post #31

Nice to see some pushback in the most egregious abuses of privacy. I wonder why we are getting this with Flock but not seeing the same with private security cameras such as Ring, pervasive tracking of mobile devices by carriers and apps, and internet browser tracking. Is it just that there's a direct personal benefit with those devices, and people view the trade-off as being worth it?

Ring is dead near me. Everyone had Ring doorbells until someone went around with a hammer and fucked them all up.

Wish that same person would do something about obnoxious digital billboards

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#58
post #38
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ring is dead near me. Everyone had Ring doorbells until someone went around with a hammer and fucked them all up.

Surely one of the cameras saw who it was...?

I'm picturing someone dressed up as MC hammer blasting hammer time on a speaker

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#59

Nice to see some pushback in the most egregious abuses of privacy. I wonder why we are getting this with Flock but not seeing the same with private security cameras such as Ring, pervasive tracking of mobile devices by carriers and apps, and internet browser tracking. Is it just that there's a direct personal benefit with those devices, and people view the trade-off as being worth it?

It's not just inputs/sensors but also outputs. It seems like every public space is abused with bright obnoxious digital billboards now the cost is cheaper and cheaper.

Re: Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dont forget about Waymo and similar. As much surveillance as flock.

Does Waymo track individuals for businesses and governments? If so, I'll stop using them. If they just happen to need cameras, that's fundamentally different.

It's not much of a stretch to think they'd sell the data or be compelled to given the NSA and data brokers exist.
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