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It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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"On Linux under Wayland" is a big part of the problem. On X11 a significant part of missing "GUI-exposed-as-api" is present. If we concede (and I think otherwise) that we need a FOSS operating system and desktop experience to be fully on par with competitors and offer agentic-first options, I think that an open-minded developer (or one that can afford to run a fairly good LLM on local machine), presented with the pro…

There's too much splintering in the community now and the incentive drawbridge for FOSS feels like it's closing. Many of the older maintainers who carried projects for decades are starting to step away due to age, burnout, or simple exhaustion.

It feels nowadays that if someone genuinely puts the effort into untangling a codebase, fixing the long-standing issues and navigating the maze of legacy paths, the backlash and politics around it leaves the project deflated and unappreciated. The reaction around Xlibre shows how hostile these situations can become. Personally, I still prefer Xorg in many ways, even if Wayland is technically the newer direction.

FOSS was a powerful ideological concept in the 90s when most software was proprietary and corporate-controlled. The 2000s felt like real growth and experimentation. Today, a lot of it feels fragmented, cynical, and increasingly institutionalized. Another problem with FOSS is that projects usually end up in one of a few states, a strong “dictator” model where someone drives the direction through sheer effort and resources, a loose community model where everything gets patched together by committee or eventual corporate stewardship.

Or someone gets frustrated enough to fork a project, but then these forks are often treated socially as hostile when that was the core ideology of FOSS.

A lot of modern “FOSS” infrastructure are effectively: corporate-funded, corporate-prioritized or community-accessible rather than community-directed. It's free in the sense of that you can download the source, compile it yourself but for yourself to contribute unless you have the resources, is hard and time consuming. So you end up following the path it's taking.

If the corporations benefiting from these ecosystems consistently reinvested back into the communities maintaining them the FOSS landscape would look very different if not more healthier, more sustainable, and far less bitter.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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I've always interpreted "Year of the Linux Desktop" as a personal journey, like Hot Girl Summer. It's not about the year that there's a watershed and suddenly everyone is rolling custom distros, it's about an individual's journey with discovering and trying Linux. Every year can be the year of the Linux desktop if you believe!

Agreed. For me it was over a decade ago and the meme stopped being funny. It feels like people bragging about being behind, which is uncomfortable.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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It has many advantages but also serious issues. On the latest Ubuntu, I started downloading a game from the App Store during a background OS update and it locked up so bad I had to run the terminal with a hot key to salvage it. That’s not a real desktop experience.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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>This is not the kind of gap a community closes by writing better software. It is the kind of gap that takes a decade of full-time employees auditing every label in every default app, a market mechanism that punishes you when you don’t, and a centralized review process to enforce it from above.

We have seen a bigger push to get everything using XDG config dirs in recent years, and also getting everything working on Wayland. These to me seem similar, other than that this accessibility standard would be even more niche, and if it was stated upfront to be made with AI in mind, I think there would be resistance.

Personally I do not want to let an AI tool run loose on my machine, but I do like having ways to script and automate stuff. I like Sway's IPC and that every keybind is also a command you could run. So the explanation of Apple's accessibility stuff sounds cool. I wish I had something like Unity's HUD where I could use a search to select from any depth of graphical menus in a given program instead of having to poke around by hand. If the accessibility standard were like that and allowed more stuff to be done from the CLI more easily, that would be great.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is a world of software out there that isn't CLI-based and much of it may never be updated to expose LLM-friendly APIs.

Of course, but how many of those are really relevant for AI agents/couldn't be done through another means.

It matters if it's relevant to the person asking the AI agent for help with what they're doing with the software that they already have.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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I would like to see a non-big-corp-controlled (e.g. Open source) OS that is focused on single-user systems. (Personal /"Desktop" computers) ABI compatibilty, no sudo or permissions; "just works". Schedule software, provide a GUI, threads, memory allocation etc. But get out of the way; no complicated user system; no delicate balance of text config files scattered throughout a file system. Currently, OSS (etc) OSes are…

You might like FreeBSD. It’s unapologetically unix. Jails + root on ZFS is arguably what Linux tried to move to, but (due to too many compromises) will probably never achieve.

15.1 (due out next week) is their first big laptop focused release from the recent grant money. They have a list of current laptops that they test with for you to buy.

Barring that, Devuan Linux is not bad either, and is still a cohesive system.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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This article pre-supposes that the primary way AI agents will do tasks for users will be through through usage of desktop applications instead of documented APIs. While desktop app usage could be very important during a transition period of agent-computer use, I think it makes far more sense that agents will standardize on the protocols that are already being developed, like MCP. An explicitly documented API will always be better for a machine to use than clicking around and navigating an interface for humans.

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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I've always interpreted "Year of the Linux Desktop" as a personal journey, like Hot Girl Summer. It's not about the year that there's a watershed and suddenly everyone is rolling custom distros, it's about an individual's journey with discovering and trying Linux. Every year can be the year of the Linux desktop if you believe!

I love this. 2026 has been my hot linux summer on the desktop

Re: It Will Never Be the Year of the Linux Desktop

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post #7

The object-level discussion is interesting, but I disagree with the premise to such an extent it feels like a moot point. It feels like the article doesn't play out the line to its logical conclusion. Why would agents want GUIs made for humans? It's already the case that, like everyone who's good at computers, agents want a terminal and good APIs, not some ad-ridden crap. If anything, AI is a reason why it will never…

  > tmux+vim is as good as your Visual Studio.
You probably don't need tmux. The utility is really when you're remoting into machines and want to keep your session (or are too lazy to use nohup or disown)

Your terminal should split panes for and do tabs. Ghostty is my preferred but use whatever. And fwiw, even if your terminal sucks vim can do this all for you too (:term), so you don't even need to leave vim.

  > vim is better than your Visual Studio.
FTFY ;)

Side note: just because you can live in the terminal on Linux doesn't mean GUIs can't exist or are even second class citizens. The real beauty is being able to have both. You can have a platform that is usable for most people while not fucking over power users. Wild concept, I know

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