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Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

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Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

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Once OpenAI/Anthropic IPO, until then it's not a perfect analogy.

I'm all for shitting on hyperscalers, but let's not compare LLMs to tulips/NFTs.

This time is different because we have the earnings...while completely ignoring the return on capital...is nothing more than a CNBC meme...

Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

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post #14

The brief mention that the fallout wasn't as disastrous as myth would have it greatly understates just how exaggerated the popular account of tulip mania is. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-...

So many of these articles get it completely wrong. Economically. People weren't going crazy for tulips just because, the government had incentivized investment in tulips. The government at the time basically told people that they could not lose money on investing tulips. It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania wh…

>It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania which it was not.

The fact that it's marketed as a story about psychology and mania rather than government policy gone awry is arguably itself a story about psychology and mania.

People have a need to feel like the forces that control them know what they're doing.

Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many of these articles get it completely wrong. Economically. People weren't going crazy for tulips just because, the government had incentivized investment in tulips. The government at the time basically told people that they could not lose money on investing tulips. It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania wh…

>It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania which it was not. The fact that it's marketed as a story about psychology and mania rather than government policy gone awry is arguably itself a story about psychology and mania. People have a need to feel like the forces that control them know what they're doing.

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Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many of these articles get it completely wrong. Economically. People weren't going crazy for tulips just because, the government had incentivized investment in tulips. The government at the time basically told people that they could not lose money on investing tulips. It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania wh…

>It should be a story about governments misallocating resources. That's it, but people quit. Keep twisting it into a story of psychology and mania which it was not. The fact that it's marketed as a story about psychology and mania rather than government policy gone awry is arguably itself a story about psychology and mania. People have a need to feel like the forces that control them know what they're doing.

Ha this is a brilliant take, and worthy of a follow up.

Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

#57
post #37

Maybe we should update our lexicon to "NFT mania" –– far more people lost money in that phenomenon.

At least in the tulip case, they actually had some minor value. You owned a pretty flower. You could also make the case for crypto money, I guess. Any person with common sense and basic technical understanding could tell you NFTs were an incredibly dumb and useless idea from the very start. All you “own” is an entry on some ledger, which doesn’t inherently give you ownership over anything else.

I'm not really convinced that people thought there was "anything else", it's just that people thought that the entry on the ledger was going to increase in value, even from some of the stupifying initial values.

I own several NFTs that are important to me, and they're worth every penny I paid. I never had any illusions that I owned anything other than a historical footnote; I think that this sort of ownership is meaningful and important.

It's much more realistic to me than "buying a song" from one of the corporate music distributors. "Owning" a song seems to be much more of a misunderstanding of how data works in a digital world than owning an entry in a ledger.

Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

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post #37

Maybe we should update our lexicon to "NFT mania" –– far more people lost money in that phenomenon.

At least in the tulip case, they actually had some minor value. You owned a pretty flower. You could also make the case for crypto money, I guess. Any person with common sense and basic technical understanding could tell you NFTs were an incredibly dumb and useless idea from the very start. All you “own” is an entry on some ledger, which doesn’t inherently give you ownership over anything else.

Using your reasoning a large number of collectible items should be worthless. What really makes an NFT different from a Pokemon card, a Birkin bag, or even an original Monet? My guess is that the seller has to have some sort of authority and established reputation for these kinds of artificially scarce luxury goods to maintain value.

Re: Tulip mania: when a single flower was worth more than a house (2025)

#60
post #53

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I wonder if there are more recent examples?

NFTs

I think NFTs were this niche thing only crypto people were dealing. It was not a wide cultural phenomenon. I bet the majority of the population don't know what it is.
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