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Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by socalgal2 »

greiskul wrote: post #44
socalgal2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it sucks that you got takedown notices. Ideally it would have been revenue share. Your critique is mostly interesting because it's using famous IP. Critique something no one cares about to see how much your additions are adding vs the pull of the original content itself.

Commentary and criticism are by law protected as fair use. Why would revenue share be done "ideally"? News reporting is also covered under fair use, do you expect news organizations to pay for reporting on movies? Ideally fair use would be defended, it is the law of the land, and when a takedown notice was emitted maliciously, with known bad faith, the actor that did that would have to pay for the amount of time that…

I don't think those laws will last. They were written in the 70s before youtube. Ideally the law would allow the critique but recongize it's the IP drawing in the users, and sharing some of the revenue.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by reachableceo »

greiskul wrote: post #44
socalgal2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it sucks that you got takedown notices. Ideally it would have been revenue share. Your critique is mostly interesting because it's using famous IP. Critique something no one cares about to see how much your additions are adding vs the pull of the original content itself.

Commentary and criticism are by law protected as fair use. Why would revenue share be done "ideally"? News reporting is also covered under fair use, do you expect news organizations to pay for reporting on movies? Ideally fair use would be defended, it is the law of the land, and when a takedown notice was emitted maliciously, with known bad faith, the actor that did that would have to pay for the amount of time that…

I believe the parent comment was saying that the YT poster should have gotten some revenue share. Since the work they put in would in theory be enhancing the original work. Obviously these sort of things are created and consumed primarily by “super fans” who probably buy director cuts etc etc .

At least that’s how I read the comment and I agree.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by argee »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #50

$ login -n root Login incorrect login: backdoor No home directory specified in password file! Logging in with home=/ # I don't agree with the interpretation that Sam tried and failed to login as root, and THEN tried to login as a different user, backdoor. Because if that's what happened, shouldn't there be another $ prompt before he types `backdoor` and gets the #? It seems to me that's an unobfuscated password field…

Maybe it's a compromised sshd that dropped him in after printing the "Login incorrect".

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by devilbunny »

MiguelVieira wrote: post #35
s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

I think of the film as a Daft Punk music video, and from that perspective it's great.

Made more or less this point at the time. As a movie? Eh, it was fine. As a Daft Punk music video? Easily their best.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by celsius1414 »

copypaper wrote: post #38
s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

Tron 1 for the plot, Tron 2 for daft punk, Tron 3... we don't talk about.

Tron 2 for Daft Punk and Michael Sheen chewing scenery.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by garciansmith »

socalgal2 wrote: post #51
greiskul wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commentary and criticism are by law protected as fair use. Why would revenue share be done "ideally"? News reporting is also covered under fair use, do you expect news organizations to pay for reporting on movies? Ideally fair use would be defended, it is the law of the land, and when a takedown notice was emitted maliciously, with known bad faith, the actor that did that would have to pay for the amount of time that…

I don't think those laws will last. They were written in the 70s before youtube. Ideally the law would allow the critique but recongize it's the IP drawing in the users, and sharing some of the revenue.

I don't know if fair use laws will last, but I hope they do, and definitely disagree that sharing revenue would somehow be ideal.

I've read criticism of media I've never even heard of (and learned some insightful things), so clearly the original IP isn't always the pull, and even if it was I don't understand how talking about something suddenly means I need to pay the person who owns the intellectual property of the thing I'm talking about. I think it would make criticism less likely and put us in an even worse situation than today, when large corporations often use the DMCA to take down clearly fair-use criticism. Just a further stifling of speech.

Also, fair use has been around since the eighteenth century, even if in the US the US 1976 Copyright Act made fair use statutory.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by celsius1414 »

argee wrote: post #53
TallGuyShort wrote: post #50

$ login -n root Login incorrect login: backdoor No home directory specified in password file! Logging in with home=/ # I don't agree with the interpretation that Sam tried and failed to login as root, and THEN tried to login as a different user, backdoor. Because if that's what happened, shouldn't there be another $ prompt before he types `backdoor` and gets the #? It seems to me that's an unobfuscated password field…

Maybe it's a compromised sshd that dropped him in after printing the "Login incorrect".

I also wouldn’t put it past Flynn to rename ‘root’ to ‘backdoor’ as a joke.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by Brendinooo »

copypaper wrote: post #38
s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

Tron 1 for the plot, Tron 2 for daft punk, Tron 3... we don't talk about.

I think Tron 1 has the shallowest plot! Guy goes on an adventure to take credit for his game. The idea of MCP vs the users is good (and still topical!), but a lot of the other stuff - nods to religion, romance...they feel like afterthoughts. The point was the graphics. And that's fine! I like the movie.

Legacy, on the other hand, has a ton of depth to it! The father/son stuff. Living under the weight of expectations. The nature of perfection. Being open to the unexpected. Resistance by withdrawal. Flynn in End of Line Club - God entering the room - was probably the coolest moment in the entire franchise. And of course the visuals and soundtrack were good. The plot's a little stilted to start, but once the movie hits Flynn's arcade, it takes off. Finally, I should note that the way it was able to walk the line of being a sequel and a reboot and something new entirely is remarkable; people absolutely do not give it enough credit for that.

I liked Ares as well. People seemed to not like Leto and the fact that they rebooted again (and the fact that Tron is not in a Tron movie), but I thought the visuals were good, the soundtrack really grew on me, and there are some ideas to chew on in there as well. Think of it as a big-budget TNG episode where Data's learning about being human. Having just watched Ex Machina, it's actually an interesting companion film: both involve an embodied AI brought into existence by a megalomaniac tech bro, but Ares and Ava take very different paths based on the nature and actions of Eve and Caleb. Dillinger is a bit mustache-twirly but I think he captures the way that corporate pressures can lead people without a strong moral compass down a bad road.

Anyways, 2 and 3 are really good and I just wanna stick up for them.

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