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AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#51

Folks feel outrage when companies start charging for things that were once free. Okay, but what if you run a company whose business model no longer supports giving away free stuff? How can you transition? What would users consider less outrageous?

The software is useless without their chips and the chips cost a fortune. It's not "business model no longer supports giving away free stuff". It's just bean-counters cutting corners.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#52

It's long been said: "AMD never misses a chance to miss a chance." In this case, the chance to trash its reputation with customers.

Non-paying users aren’t customers, though, so they must view all this outrage seems irrelevant. Which suggests that they view free-tier Linux users as significantly less likely to ever pay for its use. That matches my understanding of the (non-Steam) Linux as a miserly and demanding target market, so I don’t really fault them for the choice — especially given how brutally expensive it is to support the IDIC of Miscel…

Vivado is an IDE for programming AMD FPGAs. One cannot use it without buying AMD hardware.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#53
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Large company again makes local decision without considering the effects outside that single product line. I wonder how many Linux GPU sales their decision to penalize Linux on their FPGA line will cost them.

Very few, entreprise users (aka volume) will pay the license, hobbyists will pirate it if need be. AMD doesn't want to do support for the hobbyists for free, that's all.

No, AMD wants to collect some rent from people running Vivado in CI/CD environments.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#54

Incredible, behaving as if they want another CUDA situation.

They want their *own* CUDA situation. if you're doing FPGA stuff, the Xilinx hardware is good and Vivaldi is really the only way to use it. AFAIK the open-source fpga situation is pretty far behind it (please correct me if I'm wrong, I work in a place that uses Xilinx FPGAs)

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#55

It's long been said: "AMD never misses a chance to miss a chance." In this case, the chance to trash its reputation with customers.

Non-paying users aren’t customers, though, so they must view all this outrage seems irrelevant. Which suggests that they view free-tier Linux users as significantly less likely to ever pay for its use. That matches my understanding of the (non-Steam) Linux as a miserly and demanding target market, so I don’t really fault them for the choice — especially given how brutally expensive it is to support the IDIC of Miscel…

The "free" version of Vivado is used to develop for Xilinx/AMD's lower tier FPGAs. While offering what I assume are lower profit margins, these lower tier FPGAs make up a large portion of Xilinx/AMD's chip volume.

Xilinx/AMD charging for any of their tools is also a recent thing. 20 years ago, you could download these tools freely without even having to register on their website.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#56

Folks feel outrage when companies start charging for things that were once free. Okay, but what if you run a company whose business model no longer supports giving away free stuff? How can you transition? What would users consider less outrageous?

You need to buy their hardware to use it. In fact there is no way to use most of their hardware without Vivado. So it's more like they are blocking you from using things you've already paid for

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#57
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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no free alternatives, because AMD doesn't document the bitstream format (i.e. what you need to push to the FPGA to program it to do wha you want).

I'm fairly sure the FPGA space is big enough there are alternate products for most of the offerings

Xilinx has the best silicon. Everyone else is behind. Altera is basically dead thanks Intel. Lattice is nice for low power but performance-wise they are behind. Don't know much about Microchip, but from the little I've heard their tooling is a disaster even by the standards of FPGA tooling. Then there are Gowin (not bad, but Chinglish docs and everything), Gatemate (pretty innovative and vendor-backed nextpnr support - but only one low-mid FPGA with a promise to release chiplet assemblies of it latter). And Effinix - don't know much about them, do anyone have experience?

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#59
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how that particular line of thinking applies when: 1) They continue to have a free version for Windows 2) They continue to have a version for Linux I just can't see that cost of having a free Linux version (on top having a paid Linux version) is big?

Think academic and small companies who don't pay for support opening corner case issues all the time publicly. They want none of the complex support unless you pay (reasonable imo). And for those who forget RHEL for instance has to pay salaries to back port fixes and such and the same logic applies here.

Xilinx is/was an FPGA company until AMD bought them. Their primary revenue stream is selling chips. This is the equivalent of going back to the days of paid C/C++ compilers (anybody else remember that?).

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#60
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> Starting with the 2026.1 release Don't upgrade. It's just that simple. Do they offer some unique features in the new version or is it a habit to upgrade everything every day?

Read the article. The old version will not be supported soon. I assume that means you also won't be able to register it.
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