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Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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OP, please post the source link, not whatever copy'n'paste version this is. https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-social-media-approved-news...

I was worried about why it got [flagged], but if it's not the primary source and the primary source has no paywall, then I'm OK with that outcome.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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What is the source for this? I doubt the reporter who wrote this publishes on nonogra.ph. Isn't there a rule about using the original article and then paywall bypasses are allowed in comments?

It looks like this is a generic paste-whatever-you-want site where someone duplicated the article from ReclaimTheNet [0]. AFAICT there is no paywall or subscribe wall.

[0] https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-social-media-approved-news...

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it guaranteed that public service broadcasting in Germany is not influenced by government? To me this seems like a gross intervention in the media so I'm struggling not to be critical here. Just because different cultures have different values does not make them equal.

I mean, that's a very intuitive question if you're not used to the system, and a bit surprising if you are. The historic precedent is that Germany's first Chancellor wanted to establish a state-funded and state-directed TV station. This was explicitly shut down by the constitutional court. As a result, a system was established to (1) ensure funding is not decided upon by state institutions but instead by an independe…

I understand it's difficult for an outsider to understand the system, especially since I don't know who is part of the KEF or how it's run, same with the body of representatives. And I also acknowledge that having foreign tech companies curate media isn't much better.

In my country the federal government heavily subsidises media in addition to their own state-run broadcaster, and there is noticeable bias which is a point of contention. Perhaps the German system is superior in this regard. But I am heavily skeptical of interventions like this.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Before this blows up: - The world has very diverse ideas about how media regulation works. Germany has a strong public service broadcast tradition that is constitutionally anchored. You may not like it, but that's the cultural and legal tradition and changing it is not easily done. Please respect that especially coming from a country with a more liberal tradition (and perhaps a less functional media system, e.g. in t…

How is it guaranteed that public service broadcasting in Germany is not influenced by government? To me this seems like a gross intervention in the media so I'm struggling not to be critical here. Just because different cultures have different values does not make them equal.

It was installed by the US after WWII, because the Nazis took over the media and this public broadcasting system was installed to prevent that in the future. It's technically not paid by tax money and the government can not shut them down or stop their funding.

I believe watching some "tagesschau", the primary format of the public media in Germany would be something of interest for every US citizen. Just to experience the style.

It's part of German culture, all movies on all channels start at 8:15, because that's when tagesschau ends. The structure, the style, how news are reported has not really changed since the 80s, maybe it has basically never changed.

They do framing, I don't think you can report news without framing them, but it never gets wild and they try to show what different sides have to say about a matter.

Others have already pointed out that the source of this article is not reliable, so we should wait what actually gets proposed.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

#56

stunning to watch one of the countries the world owes so much to in terms of scientific and intellectual progress drift toward something this dumb .. if the reporting is accurate. I lived in Hamburg for thrre years, and the town center constantly felt like a stage for some protest .. activist NGO campaign .. or ideological cause., .. and every time you mentioned it .. folks would respond with the same almost predicta…

Not sure what your point is. Exercising democratic rights by organizing protests is a good thing, isn't it? You didn't like watching it, so what?

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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stunning to watch one of the countries the world owes so much to in terms of scientific and intellectual progress drift toward something this dumb .. if the reporting is accurate. I lived in Hamburg for thrre years, and the town center constantly felt like a stage for some protest .. activist NGO campaign .. or ideological cause., .. and every time you mentioned it .. folks would respond with the same almost predicta…

Not sure what your point is. Exercising democratic rights by organizing protests is a good thing, isn't it? You didn't like watching it, so what?

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Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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Time and again Europe makes me appreciate the First Amendment.

Great in theory, bad in practice. See for instance, the administration's obvious meddling in the CBS/Skydance merger.

In contrast to bad policies out of Europe and living there, this seems trivial to be honest.

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

#59

Before this blows up: - The world has very diverse ideas about how media regulation works. Germany has a strong public service broadcast tradition that is constitutionally anchored. You may not like it, but that's the cultural and legal tradition and changing it is not easily done. Please respect that especially coming from a country with a more liberal tradition (and perhaps a less functional media system, e.g. in t…

Public service broadcasting is influenced by the state in Germany. Not directly, but there are clear common boundaries and influences. The Rundfunkräte (broadcasting boards) have the job to ensure impartiality, but are often occupied by party officials.

As for tradition, I do think the model should be reviewed...

Re: Germany Law to Force Algorithm Boost for State-Approved News

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I think creating a government whitelist of default-promoted sources is almost scarier than action taken against specific ones. There's less friction to prevent abuse of power. At least from an American law perspective, you could point to clear damages on a blacklist and sue.

From a US law perspective it's an immediate nonstarter on constitutional grounds.

Which is funny because it is the US postwar authority that set up freedom of expression laws in Germany.
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