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Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#51

Neat. I'm trying to compress recipes into little schematics https://leontrolski.github.io/recipes.html

a lot of the schematics have avoidable edge crossings, that could improve intuitive readability enormously, theres entire subfields of graph theory that consideres rendering of graphs and planar embeddings.

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#52
I forgot this to raise it in the last food related thread - so here is the after-wit: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

The triangle of flour - milk and egg- held eggnog, but eggnog contains alcohol, which is made of starches, usually flour.. thus being percentage-wise closer to flour then displayed. Yes, so much on the spectrum..

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#53
post #24

Odd not including French and Italian recipes.

French and Italian languages. There are many recipes from both cuisines written in English which, I assume, will have been included.

Indeed, but I bet many were never translated.

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#54

Neat. I'm trying to compress recipes into little schematics https://leontrolski.github.io/recipes.html

Nice! I do similar but yours are much more sophisticated. I list the ingredients and then group them at the side with instructions.

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

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See [1] for a demo, seemingly of an older iteration of what this paper describes. I was curious what ingredients the demo had selected (1032 available vs 1790 this paper selects) so I tried some obscure ingredients from "Organum: Nature, Texture, Intensity, Purity" by Peter Gilmore[2] (known for Quay restaurant in Sydney, Australia).

It's got some adventurous ingredients such as juniper berry, macadamia nut, nigella seed, orange blossom water and lemon verbena. It even separates sesame oil and toasted sesame oil. Even though the ingredients list only has "rice", "black rice", "brown rice" and "glutinous rice", when you select "rice" as an ingredient, the recipes it generates are smart enough to advise of chilling cooked jasmine rice before using in a fried rice, and smart enough to soak and rinse Basmati rice before using in a pilaf. If selecting "lamb" as an ingredient, the recipes it generates will choose the cut as shoulder or shank if you select vegetables normally associated with braising.

It doesn't know of grapeseed oil, orzo, mangosteen, lemon myrtle, and of course anything that only Peter Gilmore might use in a recipe and most chefs would have never heard of (karkalla as an example). I don't see this being too much of a limitation because such ingredients are quite localised or speciality. It knows of "pumpkin seeds" but not "pumpkin"--that is "squash", so there are some localisation improvements which could be made to improve British and American English use. I tried pairing "lamb" and "avocado" together in the hope it'd generate a recipe with a salad, but this failed. I then realised the ingredients list doesn't include lettuce or rocket, but has "salad greens" instead (American English) and no matter what I tried (other salad ingredients, chicken or no protein), it would not give me a salad. It kept generating wannabe-fancy dishes of a chunk of protein surrounded by tomato gel (agar agar) and a smear of avocado, or similar.

[1] https://epicure.kaikaku.ai/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gilmore_(chef)

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#57

I would not trust a model/corpus about food that includes English and German, but excludes Italian and French

The table lists Italian, French and other cuisines. The 11 source listing is for language. The resource is missing authentic French-language described recipes, but there is surely an English-language French onion soup.

Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes

#58

The work is very interesting. The title is misleading. A better title would be: "all of human ingredients compressed into 1,800 primitives" There is little to substantively nothing about the actual cooking: preparation methods, proportions, etc. But the idea that tomato goes well with beef the whole world over is very interesting and useful for creating flavors that will go together, perhaps surprisingly. It will be…

I have a wonderful book that explores this idea of an atlas of flavours that work together. The flavor bible. I can assure you that it does not contain 1800 ingredients in all of there combinations, but it does a remarkable job of covering a widely used selection of herbs spices vegetables and meats. I doubt a compressed version of the text would even be very large. The trouble I find with LLM generated recipes is th…

Ruhlsman's "Ratio" is also quite good at distilling the mechanics of food into an algorithm of sorts.

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Ratio/Michael-Ruhlman...

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