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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by armchairhacker »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #8
embedding-shape wrote: post #4

Not feeling like 1 hour of my Sunday is worth listening to this, do anyone have the non-clickbait answers to the two "previews" mentioned in the description? > Greg explains how the original Napa offsite produced the three-step technical plan OpenAI has followed for a decade and the real reason OpenAI had to abandon its pure nonprofit structure What was the technical plan and what was the "real reason" they couldn't…

> What was the technical plan "1. Solve reinforcement learning 2. Solve unsupervised learning 3. Gradually learn more complicated 'things'" That three point list is verbatim the extent of the technical plan mentioned. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Paraphrasing, "we needed more money for compute and didn't think we could get enough as a non-profit". Brockman's diary might be…

What was the real real reason?

I imagine if they stayed nonprofit, they would’ve survived, but not convinced investors to give them enough $$$ and datacenters to stay the most popular (above Google).

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

siva7 wrote: post #36
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what you're writing in your diary that's worse than blatantly admitting to fraud of this scale. He publicly misled people about OpenAI's "mission" as a nonprofit, while seeking to enrich himself to the tune of $1 billion(!!!) dollars. Also, his entire diary was not in fact made public. The attorneys only quoted the parts that were relevant to the case, which pertained to OpenAI's transition from non-profi…

How about wiping out an entire civilization? Not even necessary to hide this thought in your diary if you have enough power. I've seen today - in fact any day of this year - much worse things than his diary thoughts.

Well, gee. When you put it like that, Hitler existed, so really we can't fault anybody for anything short of orchestrating the genocide of 12 million people.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by wahnfrieden »

armchairhacker wrote: post #51
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What was the technical plan "1. Solve reinforcement learning 2. Solve unsupervised learning 3. Gradually learn more complicated 'things'" That three point list is verbatim the extent of the technical plan mentioned. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Paraphrasing, "we needed more money for compute and didn't think we could get enough as a non-profit". Brockman's diary might be…

What was the real real reason? I imagine if they stayed nonprofit, they would’ve survived, but not convinced investors to give them enough $$$ and datacenters to stay the most popular (above Google).

To get rich of course

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by peterdsharpe »

adastra22 wrote: post #39
embedding-shape wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, I guess ML people weren't aware of "divide and conquer" that has been successfully employed in software engineering since basically forever? > I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money. Ugh, that was more boring than even I expected, thanks a lot for saving me the time though, seems avoiding watching the full thing was worth it.

Not that they wanted more money personally, but that they needed more money for compute.

"Financially, what will take me to $1B?" -Greg Brockman, August 2017

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by wahnfrieden »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #52
siva7 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about wiping out an entire civilization? Not even necessary to hide this thought in your diary if you have enough power. I've seen today - in fact any day of this year - much worse things than his diary thoughts.

Well, gee. When you put it like that, Hitler existed, so really we can't fault anybody for anything short of orchestrating the genocide of 12 million people.

Musk engineered the deaths of 14 million people

https://time.com/article/2026/05/15/usaid-shutdown-rise-glob...

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

nba456_ wrote: post #11
H8crilA wrote: post #3

As far as Brockman account of the past goes, there's also his personal diary which was made public as a part of that lawsuit by Musk. Includes for example the line: "Financially what will take me to $1B?". BTW, if you don't know, Musk lost it because he filed too late, lol.

If his entire personal diary got exposed and that's the worst that's in it, good for him.

What about stealing 12 million books of copyrighted human culture, at massive scale, and then enclosing the value created inside proprietary, investor-backed systems? Something wrong with that?

What happens if you go tomorrow, downtown San Francisco, and leave a bookstore with one book without paying?

   "Behind every great fortune there is a crime"
         - Honoré de Balzac

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by Lerc »

armchairhacker wrote: post #51
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What was the technical plan "1. Solve reinforcement learning 2. Solve unsupervised learning 3. Gradually learn more complicated 'things'" That three point list is verbatim the extent of the technical plan mentioned. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Paraphrasing, "we needed more money for compute and didn't think we could get enough as a non-profit". Brockman's diary might be…

What was the real real reason? I imagine if they stayed nonprofit, they would’ve survived, but not convinced investors to give them enough $$$ and datacenters to stay the most popular (above Google).

If they stayed small and 100% non-profit, would the influence or value of the non profit be more, or less, than it is today?

I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money.

I guess we will see what things are still worth when the crazy days come to an end.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by Angostura »

fragmede wrote: post #42
exfalso wrote: post #37

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Nonsense. What the hell would you do with 1B? Give it to charities maybe. Maybe set up an investment where dividends are paid to charity. Running out of ideas

You've run out of ideas already? Try harder! What charities? Why? How much, to which ones? How involved with those charities are you going to be? What dent in history are you going to make with that billion? With or without your name attached. Build housing, cure cancer, feed the hungry, buy this simulator https://www.1940airterminal.org/news/liquidation-of-simulato...

Perhaps the commenter would just like to lead a contented life without having to bother with all of that

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by dannersy »

dboreham wrote: post #47
stuaxo wrote: post #30

Thankful for the mention of "AGI" in the first lines as I can bail out from reading the rest. Whatever AGI is, it "AGI" is not glueing a load of text prediction machines together.

How do you know that?

Because then we already have it, and if we do, it is pretty underwhelming.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by mycall »

arvid-lind wrote: post #41
dave1010uk wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Solve reinforcement learning. 2. solve unsupervised learning. 3. gradually tackle more complicated things. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money.

> The answer is that they needed more money. isn't it still an odd choice for a nonprofit? it's hard to imagine a world without OpenAI and ChatGPT now, but at some point they decided being the best is most important. and presumably most profitable, since why just need a little more money?

Don't all nonprofits need more money to improve their sustainment?
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