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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by nekzn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #50
nekzn wrote: post #49

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Having gone through the same tiring conversation with 80% of all the maschistas around me in real-life, then also hearing about it on TV every single day when a new woman gets murded by her ex/husband/boyfriend, I rather not bring in the same off-topic conversation into HN. It's sunny today, finally getting a bit warmer today and the chiringuito just opened, I'm gonna go have some croquetas de pollo and enjoy the day…

I was expecting a better argument than calling me a misogynist and bragging about living next to the beach, but hey what do I know.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by cobbzilla »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #17
nubinetwork wrote: post #8

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They call American football handegg, we should be able to do the opposite. :P

The opposite of "hand egg" is not "foot egg". And the point is that the object played in "American Football" is not a ball. Balls are round. It is egg shaped. The object played in "Football" is a ball. Describing the ball in football as an egg just makes you look like you can't see properly.

i get it, it’s not the canonical “egg shape”, but many eggs (fish/frogs/etc) are spherical.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by AndrewDucker »

cobbzilla wrote: post #52
AndrewDucker wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite of "hand egg" is not "foot egg". And the point is that the object played in "American Football" is not a ball. Balls are round. It is egg shaped. The object played in "Football" is a ball. Describing the ball in football as an egg just makes you look like you can't see properly.

i get it, it’s not the canonical “egg shape”, but many eggs (fish/frogs/etc) are spherical.

"Foot Fish-egg" would be pretty funny, I agree.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by swiftcoder »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
dbbk wrote: post #44

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> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? My own company would get taken down.

Maybe don't use Cloudflare in front of your business if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? These blocks been happening for years, if you're still letting you be affected, maybe you want to provide a poor service to your users? Most companies who used to use Cloudflare and actually want to be available to users, moved away a long time ago, it's a lot easier than many think.

> Maybe don't use Cloudflare

They've also blocked Fastly in the past. I doubt any large CDN is immune.

> if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week?

You expect companies all across the world to abandon their CDN providers because two countries (Spain and Italy) are being dicks about futbol?

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by Levitz »

embedding-shape wrote: post #47
nekzn wrote: post #43

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I’m talking about the LIVG which sets different prison terms for men and women for the same crimes. Check articles 153, 171, and 172 of the Spanish Penal Code.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional. For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Viol…

>For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Violencia de Género" AKA LIVG, which is a law containing gender-violence provisions aimed at a specific form of inequality in intimate-partner violence, as we (Spain) has a lot of that.

Which, to be clear, does explicitly discriminate depending if the aggressor is a man or a woman, since it defines gender violence as something that men do to women, explicitly.

You are not even disagreeing. You are arguing in favor of such discrimination and justifying it. This is not the place to argue such matters but the point that generally considering a law to be constitutional or not is no guarantee is more than proven.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by swiftcoder »

embedding-shape wrote: post #24
swiftcoder wrote: post #22

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Cloudflare seems to be the most common victim, but I've seen Fastly get banned out as well (which seems to be what GitHub uses as their CDN in the EU)

AFAIK, it's literally exclusively Cloudflare for me, never seen anything else (IP) banned, just the good old DNS-based blocking for some other crap, but maybe it's because of my ISP. What ISP are you on? They all seem to be responding and doing this differently.

Movistar, masmovil, and orange. From what I can tell they all tend to implement slightly different overlapping blocks.

I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if the blocking actually worked - my neighbour happily watches pirate futbol streams over the internal while my dev tools get blocked

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

swiftcoder wrote: post #54
embedding-shape wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe don't use Cloudflare in front of your business if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? These blocks been happening for years, if you're still letting you be affected, maybe you want to provide a poor service to your users? Most companies who used to use Cloudflare and actually want to be available to users, moved away a long time ago, it's a lot easier than many think.

> Maybe don't use Cloudflare They've also blocked Fastly in the past. I doubt any large CDN is immune. > if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? You expect companies all across the world to abandon their CDN providers because two countries (Spain and Italy) are being dicks about futbol?

> They've also blocked Fastly in the past. I doubt any large CDN is immune.

When was this exactly? Last time I heard about Fastly and La Liga in the same paragraph, was when Fastly and La Liga joined up to combat piracy together, I'm guessing what you speak of predates this? Not finding any information about this online though, either in English nor Spanish.

> You expect companies all across the world to abandon their CDN providers because two countries (Spain and Italy) are being dicks about futbol?

No, where are you getting that from?

Parent says their company gets blocked when the Cloudflare IPs get blocked, so that makes it sound like they're Cloudflare users. If they've experienced these blocks for two years already, yet still are complaining about it instead of fixing it, then I expect them to actually try something else than just complaining about it. But I'm also a pragmatist, and I know not everyone in this country is, so this might be why it feels so obvious to me.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

Levitz wrote: post #55
embedding-shape wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional. For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Viol…

>For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Violencia de Género" AKA LIVG, which is a law containing gender-violence provisions aimed at a specific form of inequality in intimate-partner violence, as we (Spain) has a lot of that. Which, to be clear, does explicitly discriminate depending if the aggressor is a ma…

I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing, nor providing justification, I'm just giving more context for people who might be reading about this and not having the full context or background of the wider conversation.

The law does explicitly create sex-asymmetric criminal treatment in these partner-violence offenses, I wouldn't deny this. A man assaulting, threatening, or coercing a female partner can fall under the LIVG-linked "violencia de género" provisions while a woman doing the equivalent to a male partner generally does not.

But our Constitutional Court has ruled that this asymmetry is constitutionally valid, because it treats the offense as gender violence tied to structural inequality, not as punishment merely for being male. This is why I think this isn't considering discrimination, and why it isn't unconstitutional.

I think the disagreement comes from what actually is discrimination, rather than me being OK with discrimination and others not, or vice-versa. I'm trying to explain the legal situation as objectively as I can, based only on what the legal texts actually say, and I'm trying to help you understand the reasoning of the Constitutional Court here, as obviously they don't agree with this being discriminatory.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

nekzn wrote: post #51
embedding-shape wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having gone through the same tiring conversation with 80% of all the maschistas around me in real-life, then also hearing about it on TV every single day when a new woman gets murded by her ex/husband/boyfriend, I rather not bring in the same off-topic conversation into HN. It's sunny today, finally getting a bit warmer today and the chiringuito just opened, I'm gonna go have some croquetas de pollo and enjoy the day…

I was expecting a better argument than calling me a misogynist and bragging about living next to the beach, but hey what do I know.

And I was expecting comments about internet censorship, you don't always get what you want :) I don't think you're a misogynist, just to be clear, different interpretation of laws shouldn't lead us to label people who argue about their point of view.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

swiftcoder wrote: post #56
embedding-shape wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, it's literally exclusively Cloudflare for me, never seen anything else (IP) banned, just the good old DNS-based blocking for some other crap, but maybe it's because of my ISP. What ISP are you on? They all seem to be responding and doing this differently.

Movistar, masmovil, and orange. From what I can tell they all tend to implement slightly different overlapping blocks. I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if the blocking actually worked - my neighbour happily watches pirate futbol streams over the internal while my dev tools get blocked

Huh, where is the court order about the Fastly stuff? Also funny that the only major one you seem to be missing is Vodafone, which is the ISP I have, and Fastly never been blocked here, although Vodafone is more than eager to add things to their block-list.

> while my dev tools get blocked

What dev tools are you talking about here, that depends on remote Cloudflare IPs? Maybe I got used to the overall crap internet service here in Spain, but I couldn't imagine basing anything I need for my day-to-day job on something remote/on the internet that I couldn't use just because I wasn't online.

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