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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by nunodonato »

prodigycorp wrote: post #28
CalRobert wrote: post #20

I don't know how society will function when it's as easy to fake a video or image as it is to draw a stick figure. Hopefully it at least means that people view what happened here as akin to scribbling boobs on someone's photo, but we're not there yet apparently.

Perhaps there is reason to be optimistic. If we believe nothing online, then digital inauthenticity may cause us to yearn more for authentic, in-person interactions. The modern web has not been without its warts. It's led society to some very unhealthy behaviors. It's telling that a lot of people think the internet is society, rather than a slice of it. Perhaps its decline is the correction society needed. It's easy…

Funny, I've been thinking in the same lines as of lately. The speed-up of the lost of trust (and interest) in everything online will make us care more for the real world around us. Perhaps we will see a big shift in values.

But then again, perhaps we won't and things will just get worse.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by nunodonato »

CalRobert wrote: post #37
prodigycorp wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is reason to be optimistic. If we believe nothing online, then digital inauthenticity may cause us to yearn more for authentic, in-person interactions. The modern web has not been without its warts. It's led society to some very unhealthy behaviors. It's telling that a lot of people think the internet is society, rather than a slice of it. Perhaps its decline is the correction society needed. It's easy…

Suddenly a polaroid feels better than any digital photo.

I've been leaning to more analog (and "old") stuff these days. Not sure if it's because I'm tired of all the crap online, or its a coincidence of getting older and missing the old times. Maybe a bit of both. But I really enjoy sitting in my living room and do nothing except listen to my record and cd player.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by cronin101 »

CalRobert wrote: post #37
prodigycorp wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is reason to be optimistic. If we believe nothing online, then digital inauthenticity may cause us to yearn more for authentic, in-person interactions. The modern web has not been without its warts. It's led society to some very unhealthy behaviors. It's telling that a lot of people think the internet is society, rather than a slice of it. Perhaps its decline is the correction society needed. It's easy…

Suddenly a polaroid feels better than any digital photo.

Except you can actually “scan” a digital photo with a Polaroid quite effectively and it will look pretty much identical to a real Polaroid, so even that is security theatre.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

I think sharing these images is sexual harassment and it's pretty clearly wrong and deserves punishment. Other than that, I don't think it should ever be possible to commit a crime by providing inputs to an air-gapped "clean" computer and then view the output. But it seems like that's not the case.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by barrkel »

M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

Immature kids - and kids are by definition immature - make dumb decisions.

Certainly there needs to be repercussions, the kids need to learn, and need to be warned in advance, but kids will do dumb things.

You can talk about news coverage, but you can't force 12 year olds to watch the news, or understand how their actions have consequences. When the consequences do come, the focus needs to be primary on rehabilitation and restitution for the first instance.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ceheaaf wrote: post #4
eska wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't post innocuous images of children ever? Seems like losing. I do have to say that I find it disturbing how liberally parents seem to post pictures of their children in public though. Respect the privacy of your children, they’re not your pets.

I'm more thinking, the winning school sports team, a choir performing, etc. Things that would be posted in normal institutional participation and give children positive affirmation and recognition

Some schools will (try to) do this, but under European privacy and portrait right laws, they have to get explicit permissions from parents first.

I think a school news letter / yearbook is cute, but it should be private and only for the students and parents. A physical version would be best, you can put those in the archive instead of realize 20 years later that the digital versions are gone.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

dmos62 wrote: post #25

> Throughout the night, whenever one of the speakers brought up holding Big Tech accountable, and specifically Apple and Google’s app stores, the crowd applauded. The framing bothers me. It's shifting responsibility away from kids and the community. Deepfakes didn't do anything: kids made and used deepfakes in destructive ways. Big tech sucks, you get no argument from me there. But, how do people so quickly get over…

That's crazy talk. You actually want the village to raise the children and have everyone well integrated and healthy?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

pjc50 wrote: post #9
ceheaaf wrote: post #2

Didn't get past the paywall but, recently a friend had their primary school targeted by blackmailers who took public photos of children and made (I'm told) extremely explicit images with them, threatening to release them if not paid. What's the defense? Intelligent screening of incoming messages so that the threat never reaches the blackmail target? I imagine they'll find an unprotected channel. Don't post innocuous…

> What's the defense? Prosecution of AI operators for making indecent images of children?

Sure, but the reality is that if it happens abroad there is no legal recourse. Laws are not global, but the internet is. The only real option there is to close the internet.

Or to elect me as god-emperor and unify the world under my rule.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

account42 wrote: post #23
hjkl0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't post innocuous images of children ever? Don’t raise boys who abuse girls. That’d be a big step in the right direction.

Because girls can never be abusive?

Well TFA exclusively discusses instances of boys abusing girls.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by latexr »

samlinnfer wrote: post #46
M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

> any kind of sex/nudity

Worth considering that this isn’t “any kind”, it’s a very specific kind. It’s nudity of minors they personally know, shared in their community. It’s on a different level than, say, consensual nudity from a stranger in a Playboy magazine.

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