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Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Meanwhile, in Texas, they arrest people for documenting the water: Woman files lawsuit after arrest for Facebook post concerning Trinidad water supply issues https://www.fox4news.com/news/woman-arrested-facebook-post-c...

People opposed to data centres remind me of people opposed to mask wearing. Both are attempting to dismiss something useful and important, over trivial and manageable issues.

No relation.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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nothing about data centres in space makes sense if you understand even a modicum of physics https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horri...

The primary argument of the article is that cooling in space is limited, that GPUs emit significant heat, that this is the primary blocker. Well, as it stands, datacenters aren't effectively cooling on the Earth. They're passing their heat to the planet, and are heating up the planet. They're producing significant CO2 emissions, and using up the water and electricity resources of communities. The problems from having…

The primary argument of the article is that it's physically impossible to dissipate enough heat to power even a modest data centre in space. What you refer to as lack of imagination is my understanding of basic thermodynamics which you sadly lack.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. Here are some sources that don't require js: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-... https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-data-centers-water https://www.rawstory.com/aoc-data-center-drinking-water/

> I don't read bsky due to javascript requirement. They also openly display communist symbols that are banned in much of Europe.

Oh no, symbols!

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

#54

I think anti-ai people should find something better than water to complain about. its too hard to explain to people why a billion gpus might need water ("isn't water bad for computers", "the water just gets recycled" ect), and honestly I don't think I fully get it. Talking about the electricity and CO2 might be easier, or job losses, or x-risk, but water is too abstract.

Access to drinkable water is pretty important.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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I think anti-ai people should find something better than water to complain about. its too hard to explain to people why a billion gpus might need water ("isn't water bad for computers", "the water just gets recycled" ect), and honestly I don't think I fully get it. Talking about the electricity and CO2 might be easier, or job losses, or x-risk, but water is too abstract.

Except for it's so un-abstract, AOC literally has a JAR OF IT to demonstrate part of the issue. People understand they don't want their drinking water to look like the water in the jar. That is about as un-abstract as you can get. It makes the issue very real.

This isn't even about excess water use, it's about water pollution.

If you think you'd get wider consensus while talking about CO2, which is so abstract that we have a climate change denialism faction running the government, you're being naive.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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> Most water use in data centers should be able to be self-sufficient, mostly closed [Citation Needed] My understanding is that data centers CAN use closed-loop systems. But, most don't if they're not forced to, because it costs more than evaporating towers. According to this[1], 88% of water-cooled data-centers use open-loop evaporation towers. "up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return…

> up to 85% of the water data centers use evaporates and does not return to the water supply Because the water vapor undergoes antimatter annihilation in the atmosphere so the molecules disappear I suppose?

No one is saying the water is destroyed, but it is removed from the local community that depends on it at a significantly faster rate when used this way.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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post #52

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The primary argument of the article is that cooling in space is limited, that GPUs emit significant heat, that this is the primary blocker. Well, as it stands, datacenters aren't effectively cooling on the Earth. They're passing their heat to the planet, and are heating up the planet. They're producing significant CO2 emissions, and using up the water and electricity resources of communities. The problems from having…

The primary argument of the article is that it's physically impossible to dissipate enough heat to power even a modest data centre in space. What you refer to as lack of imagination is my understanding of basic thermodynamics which you sadly lack.

There is no size limit to radiators in space. Also, the radiative surface can very well be in 3D, just not packed as densely as a heatsink for use on Earth.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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Most of europe has communist parties running in elections and getting non negligible scores, then alliances and seats in parliaments, municipal councils, ...

7 out of 719 MEP seats. Also you need to look up what is a communist symbol.

We don't have a red scare. Communist symbols aren't a dealbreaker in europe.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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post #52

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The primary argument of the article is that cooling in space is limited, that GPUs emit significant heat, that this is the primary blocker. Well, as it stands, datacenters aren't effectively cooling on the Earth. They're passing their heat to the planet, and are heating up the planet. They're producing significant CO2 emissions, and using up the water and electricity resources of communities. The problems from having…

The primary argument of the article is that it's physically impossible to dissipate enough heat to power even a modest data centre in space. What you refer to as lack of imagination is my understanding of basic thermodynamics which you sadly lack.

Secondly, there is a lot that can be done to drive down the size of the radiator. A heat pump can be used to radiate heat at much higher temperatures, thereby requiring a smaller radiator. Moreover, a metamaterial surface can be used to prevent self-absorption.

On Earth, people like you keep sending the bill to the next generation. In space, the bill is due immediately. There is no real difference in the amount due.

Re: AOC displays drinking water contaminated by data center

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary argument of the article is that cooling in space is limited, that GPUs emit significant heat, that this is the primary blocker. Well, as it stands, datacenters aren't effectively cooling on the Earth. They're passing their heat to the planet, and are heating up the planet. They're producing significant CO2 emissions, and using up the water and electricity resources of communities. The problems from having…

The primary argument of the article is that it's physically impossible to dissipate enough heat to power even a modest data centre in space. What you refer to as lack of imagination is my understanding of basic thermodynamics which you sadly lack.

There is a video (AI researched and generated) that discusses heat rejection for space compute, mainly achievable by raising the temperature of heat rejection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Mv_OcBXI8
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